Difference: VOResourceV110RFC (12 vs. 13)

Resource Metadata RFC

This document will act as RFC centre for the Resource Metadata v1.1 Proposed Recommendation.

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Comments from the Technical Coordination Group

TWG members should add their comments under their name. The deadline for comments is 27 Oct 2006.

Note: RM v1.01 is a REC already; see sect. 7 for summary of changes since then.

Mark Allen (Applications IG)

I approve

Francoise Genova (Data Curation & Preservation IG)

please edit

Bob Hanisch (Standards & Documentation WG)

The Standards and Documentation WG is in hibernation. However, as the editor of this document I will take this spot to respond to some of the comments.

Regarding Jonathan's suggestions about Creator and Creator.Logo, the label Creator is taken from Dublin Core and, I think, should not be changed. The label Creator.Logo was chosen here, and that pattern used elsewhere (e.g., with Coverage) to show a logical grouping. Creator.Logo is a subgroup of one, so perhaps this is not so necessary. Is there really a compelling reason to change this, though?

Regarding ReferenceBibcode, the element Source (defined right before ReferenceURL) is intended to be where the bibcode is given. Again, this is for maximum consistency with Dublin Core.

Reagan asked about specifying the version number. It is there -- the element is called Version, and in the SDSS example the version is SDSS EDR. Regarding whether a resource is on-line or off-line, I think this is a registry internal function. That is, it does not seem to me like the kind of information one would want to harvest, since it could be a highly time-variable status. If a resource is totally off-line, i.e., not electronically accessible, its value as a VO resource is rather limited.

As for the definition of Format, there is a list given in the definition, and it is intended to describe the format of information returned by a service. I am happy to expand the definition if it would be helpful. What is unclear? I don't understand the question "Is a separate identifier needed?" For what?

On Reagan's suggestion that Instrument be used to describe the computational resource behind a simulation, that is in fact exactly what the document already suggests. "Comments: Can be a specific instrument name (Wide Field/Planetary Camera 2) or generic instrument type (CCD camera). Theoretical data is produced by a computer code, and the name of the code could be specified."

Roy suggests adding a phone number to the Contact metadata... this was in an earlier version of RM and was removed. I do not have a strong feeling about putting it back. As for multiple e-mail addresses and phone numbers, I am less enthusiastic. For a registry I think we want to have single points of contact for resources. If we allow more, what do we do -- just give a list? Give a primary and secondary? Home, office, cell? VOEvent has a special need, so it should use and adapt and not necessarily make the more general RM specification handle everything it needs.

Gerard Lemson (Theory IG)

please edit

Jonathan McDowell (Data Models WG)

In section 3.2, I don't like the idea that there is Creator and Creator.Logo. I'd like these fields to be the utypes of the data model for RM, and that would be cleaner if you either change Creator to Creator.Name or change Creator.Logo to CreatorLogo (no dot).

You have ReferenceURL which must be a URL, but I think there also ought to be a ReferenceBibcode and I don't see one.

I realize these technical comments are late, and I will approve the rec even if you choose not to adopt them.

Reagan Moore (Data Curation & Preservation IG)

I did not see a place in the SDSS example for listing the current release number (DR5). Is there a way to specify the version of the sky survey easily? A second question is how to simply define whether a resource is online or offline? The format field example was not clear. Is a separate identifier needed? Finally there are a few minor questions: For the identifier "Type", define the term EPO For the indentifier "facility", theoretical data is more typically associated with a project than the compute resource where they generated the simulation. Perhaps the "instrument" for theoretical data is the name of the compute resource.

I approve the recommendation even if these minor changes are not incorporated.

Francois Ochsenbein (VOTable WG)

please edit

Pedro Osuna (VOQL WG)

The doc is not in sync with the Registry schema. For instance, the Contact telephone number appears in the Registry schema while it does not in the Resource Metadata (even being the Registry schema in a lower version (1.0) than the Resource Metadata one (1.1)). This is not a problem, but just a small asynchronicity.

I approve the recommendation with the above minimal caveat to be considered.

Ray Plante (Resource Registry WG)

Submitting Chair: no comments.

Andrea Priete-Martinez (Semantics WG)

I approve.

Guy Rixon (Grid & Web Services WG)

please edit

Doug Tody (Data Access Layer WG)

I have been using the resource metadata specification for some time and have found it a very useful starting point for specifying things like service and dataset metadata, however it does not (and probably should not) go into enough detail to describe actual datasets or the capabilities of an individual service type. Rather, it approximates these at the level of general resource metadata in the registry.

Minor comment: in section two it mentions "construct a resource descriptor in a standard format (such as VOTable)". I don't think VOTable is used for or appropriate for resource descriptions, so this could be rephrased.

Very minor comment: in section 3.1, put a blank line before "Identifier (URI)" to improve readability.

A general comment on Identity and Curation metadata comes up in comparison with the related DataID and Curation as used in DAL for generic dataset metadata (see SSA spec). We had to expand upon these to describe individual datasets and do things like distinguish between dataset creation by a data provider, and curation and publication by a publisher, or describe how virtual data relates back to an archival dataset. This required further elaboration of the concepts of fundamental identity and curation/publication. However, at the level of detail of RM I think these two approaches are reasonably consistent and don't see a problem.

Minor comment: if we have Publisher and PublisherID, perhaps there should be a CreatorID to go along with Creator.

I also think that "Source" is a poor name for a bibliographic reference in the context of astronomical resources or data. "Reference" might be a better name for this, although I see from Bob's comments that the name was chosen for compatibility with Dublin Core.

The service metadata is probably getting into a bit of trouble by trying to say too much, as real service metadata will surely differ, but what we have here is a good starting point so long as we don't have to take it literally!

Nic Walton (GGF Astro-RG)

please edit

Roy Williams (VOEvent WG)

In section 3.2, for Contact information, I think there should be a place for telephone number. Also, I think multiple telephone numbers and emails should be allowed. This is because VOEvent schema clones the Contact schema from RM, and in that case it would be crucial to be able to contact the author of an event.

Once this change is made, I would add my vote for Recommendation.