Difference: CharacterisationDataModelRFC (9 vs. 10)

Characterisation Data Model RFC

This document will act as RFC centre for the Characterisation Data Model 1.11 Proposed Recommendation.

Review period: 01 Jun 2007 to 4 Jul 2007

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Comments

• Sample comment (by BrunoRino): ...
  • Response (by authorname): ...

• CharacterisationAxis class (by FabienChereau):

• Response (by MireilleLouys):

The XML representation of the model has this feature , that is each CharacterisationAxis is a node underwhich we have the properties: coverage, resolution, Sampling for this axis. For the model we want to keep the symetry , the matrix-like design that is shown in the different examples. One could search / group the metadata in a Property first order and have , for example Resolution , for all axes, then Coverage, for all axes, etc... When the axes are not independant, that is Space depends on time, for instance, Resolution may be represented by a multi-variable function of all axes, and will be hooked in the Resolution Class.

• FrancoisOchsenbein (30-Jul-2007)

Several documents related to Characterisation are named by a URL to alinda.u-strasbg.fr, but the link does not work. I was especially interested by the VOTable serialisations given as http://alinda.u-strasbg.fr/Model/Characterisation/examples/MPFSVOt-v1.1.xml

I really like the document: well structured, easy to read, with well explained concepts and clear examples.

• Response (by FrancoisBonnarel):

Actually this link is available the machine was simply dowwn when you tried. IT is planned to have all these examples on the IVOA site anyway.

Comments from the Working Group Chairs and Interest Group Chairs

Chairs should add their comments under their name.

Mark Allen (Applications WG)

Christophe Arviset (TCG vice Chair)

Matthew Graham (Grid & Web Services WG)

Bob Hanisch (Data Curation & Preservation IG)

Gerard Lemson (Theory IG)

Mireille Louys (Data Models WG)

Keith Noddle (Data Access Layer WG)

Francois Ochsenbein (VOTable WG)

Pedro Osuna (VOQL WG)

The concepts in the document apply very well to the description (Characterisation) of, for instance, an observation. There is a clever separation into axes with different properties, which makes the complete characterisation possible with few parameters. For instance, the table in page 9 is very useful to identify correctly the concepts for a proper description of a "data set". The figure 2 on the different levels of description is also very enlightening.

There are some points however that,not being showstoppers for the Recommendation process, should be considered for improvement, whether in this version or subsequent ones. Other issues are probably more editing than any other thing.

- in pg.3 reference is done to the Observation DM. However, it looks like not much work has been going on on the Observation DM. Is the Observation DM going to go ahead, or is it going to be "superseded" by the Characterisation DM globally?. In the former case (Obs DM disappearing), the Char DM should contain all the info that is currently on the Obs DM. In the latter, the difference (or complementarities) between the two should be briefly mentioned.

- in pg. 10 (point 3.4.1) mention is done to a combination of UCD and units to "ensure uniqueness and recognition by standard software". This issue has been treated many times, and at the last Beijing meeting it was finally recognised that a set of "BIYECTIVE UTYPES" should be defined for Data Models to be understood. This biyective-utypes were given the name "UFIs" by Jonathan. Despite the fact that they are undefined yet, they resemble very closely the Object Oriented technology attribute naming, i.e., names constructed by dots in between class names. The issue of how to mention actions in the UFIs is also an important issue and a small team has been created to deal with these things (although admittedly, not started to work on it yet). Therefore, this paragraph should either contain a reference to that, or remove the first paragraph.

- the whole list of attributes in the Data Model should be clearly made explicit in the document. They should normally correspond to what has been called UTypes during all this time, and they should be inside the document, and not in a separate one. In particular, the UTypes should clearly reflect the UML structure of the DM. The UML is missing a "top level" diagram, where inheritances and associations are clearly seen. Also, the "Axis vs Properties" issue can be solved through proper UML modeling of the DM, and should be done so, in my opinion. Leaving the possibility to traverse the tree upside down (Axis to Properties) or the other way around might make the model unworkable for software handling. The UML and its attributes should be reviewed.

- mention is done in 4.4 of the Quantity DM. In my understanding, the Quantity DM effort has been discontinued by the DM group. If this is the case, the reference should be removed. Otherwise, a more detailed reference of how the Quantity DM is affecting this document should be made explicit.

- point 5.2 goes again to the UType creation. UTypes (or UFIs in our more "modern" view after Beijing) should not have repetitions in their names. Different model classes don't need to have the name of the parent in their name. In any case, the whole list of the UFIs (or UTypes) should be given in the document with a clear mapping 1 to 1 to the UML diagram that represents them. The Spectral DM could be a good example of how this can be done.

Ray Plante (Resource Registry WG)

Andrea Preite-Martinez (Semantics WG)

Roy Williams (VOEvent WG)

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