Although the goal of this message is not to report on that meeting, we do need to note a few points:
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To continue this action we have been organising a virtual workshop (initially proposed by Tom to the TCG) with the hope of getting a widely accepted framework. The idea is not to start afresh but to give to the participants the opportunity of matching their needs with the current proposals. | |||||||||||
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DM meeting - Workshop preparation - collective remarks and minutes Participants 15
The purpose of this meeting is to prepare the DM workshop forseen in April 2021: Workshop goals LM presents the goal of the meeting. Preparation of meeting on data models on VO and how to improve consensus on data modeling generation. Some DMs work well but disagreements on how to match models with scientific quantities. Proposal to solve mapping problems is MANGO, developed by LM Also, proposal from Tom D. to organize a workshop on how to solve this gap Proposed process to prepare the workshop Gather a list of concrete use cases and possible solutions Gather contributions
The dm-usecases repository These use cases is created compiling some VO historical use cases that require data modeling Two folders per use case, raw_data with an annotated xml and another folder with a mango proposal fulfilling the use case Time line for contribution to the use cases repository is during March to allow the pull requests merging of all the contributions poll created on use cases portal: https://github.com/ivoa/dm-usecases/wiki/poll FB: Procedure is to create a branch and ask for a pull request to be merged by LM? yes, either for commenting existing or creating a new use case TM: Lack of consensus are, in my view, due to the level of implementation of the solutions LM: I contacted Mark T. about using data models in Topcat and the problem comes from heteregeneous data modeling annotations in VOTables FG: It is difficult to decide whether to implement before having an idea of the work required to implement This means that the point has to be central to the workshop using the use cases MD: Will implement. If it works for VizieR, it will work for him. TM: Use case for proper motion representation? LM: Yes, in astrometry Mark CD: Orbital models not present, a new use case is needed MD: Not clear if we need models for quantities as this could be solved just with UCDs FB: UCDs are standalone, DM informs about quantities. MD: physics: UCDs, use DM to annotate GL: Mango enables to link two different quantities together, no need to have a specific model for each case. Workshop conduct virtual / in person ? Proposal and decision for a Date
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DM meeting - Workshop preparation - collective remarks and minutes - Second session Participants 8: Laurent Michel, Mireille Louys, Gregory Dubois-Felsmann, Jesus Salgado, Francois Bonnarel, Gerard Lemson, Tom Donaldson, Mark Allen, Harry Enke LM presents objective of propossed workshop and historical background poll created on use cases portal: https://github.com/ivoa/dm-usecases/wiki/poll Use cases page proposed: https://github.com/ivoa/dm-usecases GL: Is there a DM behind all the MANGO annotations? LM: totally free Changes to be done in another branch (to be merged with trunk after review) If a specific model is proposed , a new directory should be inserted Same if a new mapping strategy is proposed | |||||||||||
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< < | Participants 17 Gerard Lemson, Janet Evans, Mark Cresitello-Ditmar, Tom Donaldson, Laurent Michel, Mark Allen, Francous Bonnarel, Ian Evans, Jean-Mark, Jesus Salgado, Gilles Landais, Jean-Michel Glorian Markus Demleitner, Vicenzo Galluzzi, Stefania Amodeo, Hendrik Heinl, Eric Buchlin This session will allow interested participants to evaluate our proposals with regard to the services they are operating or may need to build in the future. The meeting is OPEN to everyone. One thing we are trying to do though is target scientists/implementors who may consider volunteering to relate their experiences at the Interop Workshop. We envision presenting feedback on the use-case work completed so far, or presenting a vision of where a more mature version of the use case could end up someday. Agenda | ||||||||||
> > | Participants 17 Gerard Lemson, Janet Evans, Mark Cresitello-Ditmar, Tom Donaldson, Laurent Michel, Mark Allen, Francous Bonnarel, Ian Evans, Jean-Mark, Jesus Salgado, Gilles Landais, Jean-Michel Glorian Markus Demleitner, Vicenzo Galluzzi, Stefania Amodeo, Hendrik Heinl, Eric Buchlin This session will allow interested participants to evaluate our proposals with regard to the services they are operating or may need to build in the future. The meeting is OPEN to everyone. One thing we are trying to do though is target scientists/implementors who may consider volunteering to relate their experiences at the Interop Workshop. We envision presenting feedback on the use-case work completed so far, or presenting a vision of where a more mature version of the use case could end up someday. Agenda | ||||||||||
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