Parquet In IVOA

November 5 2024 7:00PM UTC Online meeting

22 Zoom participants

Agenda:

The purpose of the meeting is to learn about different current Parquet-related efforts currently under way and identify synergies that can be channeled into possibly new IVOA standards.

Agenda

- Around the table short description of the groups and Parquet-related projects

- Mark Taylor presentation on VOTable metadata with Parquet files

- Jos de Bruijne Parquet Compression algorithms in Parquet

- Path forward - Malta Interop

Meeting minutes:

Active groups using Parquet techonology:

• Jeff Burke (CADC) - Parquet format for TAP
• Mario Juric (U of Washington) - Upload and download large Ruben catalogues
• Vandana Desai (Caltech/IPAC) - Science with large catalogues inspired by Mario's work.
• Jos De Bruijne (ESA) - ESA GAIA DR4 - Use Parquet format (instead of the current CSV format)
• Pierre Le Sidaner (Observatoire de Paris) - Also GAIA mission. Appreciate data access by column
• Gregory Dubois-Felsmann (Ruben) - Ruben very heavy use of Parquet internally and externally. Catalogue releases. Rich metadata in VOTable goes beyond UCDs and UTypes
• Trey Roby (IPAC) - Firefly read and write Parquet file. Very good file. Pushing the edge of how big the files can be.

Questions and comments on the presentation:

Grogoy D-F: VOTable metadata is important for DataLink, no objection for adding encoding, version support is a must. Valid VOTable medata must comply with the spec. Parquet is not great to work multiple datasets but VOTable should support multiple tables. What happens if there’s a conflict between VOTable metadata nd Parquet metadata.

Mark T.: Cannot have an empty data element. VOTable Resource has a flag that can be used. Main table can be of type result and other resources can have other types (medatadat).

Trey R.: How to resolve inconsistencies between Parquet and VOTable. Parquet should have the last word.

Mario J: Important to specify how to do deal with inconsistencies between VOTabe metadata and Parquet metadata

Brigitta S: Prefers Parquet support first before generalization (FITS) Example files would be useful for implementation such as astroquery - ex multiple tables with the same file.

Jos DB: Compression algs. Should start thinking about this as it's one of the core strengths of Parquet

Gregory D-F. We need to define new TAP result formats. Is there a Parquet MIME type?

A few participants stressed the importance of moving fast with the adoption of Parquet in IVOA as a lot of projects are currently under way.

Marco M: Proposed the faster route of writing an IVOA Note for VOTable and Parquet and then explore generalizing it for other types (FITS) and turn it into a standard.

Actions:

- Mark T. and Gregory F-B will start drafting the note

- Mark T. will make his presentation available so that others can comment on it - done

- Mark T. wil present in the Apps session in Malta

- Apps WG to support the efforst: create Twiki page with useful info, organize meetings post Interop as required, etc.

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