Difference: TCG-informal-20250729 (1 vs. 5)

Revision 52025-07-29 - MarcoMolinaro

 
META TOPICPARENT name="IvoaTCG"

TCG Meeting (online) - Tuesday July 29 2025 @ 13:00 UTC

informal meeting (halfway during northern summer)

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Attendees

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  • Attendees : Brigitta, Bruno, Francesca, Gilles, Grégory, Janet, Jeremy, Judy, Marco, Pierre, Renaud, Stéphane, Tamara, Tess, Tom
 
  • Regrets : Baptiste, Mark CD, Markus, Sara, Sébastien
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Actions

  • OPEN - put together a template for call for proposals; model after DAL
  • NEW - (BC) Ask Markus about use case for object_type vocab proposal
  • NEW - (ALL) brainstorm within groups about contributing to the data model usage hack-a-thon/workshop proposal
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  • NEW - (MM?) put issues on DocStd git repo and works towards a F2F meeting with TCG (interop?)
 

Agenda

  • TCG roles status
    • welcome Brigitta Sipocz, Apps vice-chair
    • positions still TBF: Radio IG vice-chair role is open

  • (standing item): documents on track
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      • StandardsRegExt-1.1 RFC page - status
        • please take action to finalize review (and vote)
      • MANGO-1.0 RFC page - start reviewing
    • EN
      • any?
    • Errata
      • any?
    • VEPs
      • 016 - ExportRequested - not yet operational on ADS (from MD)
      • any?
      • new vocabularies
        • Calibration levels ( DRAFT)
        • Object types ( DRAFT)
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  • IVOA Northern Fall November 2025 Interoperability Meeting
    • Görlitz (Germany) - 14-16 November 2025
    • all details yet to set
Details not available yet for the IVOA (or ADASS).

  • DM hack-a-thon/workshop
Let's support this and assess when and how long it should be.

  • Documents Standard revision: quick status report
Hope to encourage take up before official REC to get more implementations (which could improve the stability and usage of the standard).

First step is to put issues on github ivoatex repo. Considering the IETF approach of RFC stage having a stable enough standard to implement against. Those implementations (done inside or outside the TCG) would lead to better concrete feedback and clarifying of use cases and allow the WGs to limit their scope more to just their group's interest. A full review is really difficult or impossible sometimes without doing some implmentation.

Would this speed things up, or slow things down? Would it help with the ordering problems of implementations versus documents.

More a matter of making the process more reliable than trying to speed things up.

CAOM is an example of something that have been around and implemented against for a while, but has some conflicts with other TCG activities that now need to be resolved.

Maybe try to plan a brainstorming/discussion session for TCG members (ideally face-to-face) seeded with gituhub issues and possible accompanying documents.

  • Major version transitioning: role of ConeSearch -2.0
When CS2.0 shows up, it will probably be in a separate repo, starting from scratch with the document. CS1.1 is being worked on as well.

  • New web page: status report
Goal to have test version of pages published for review. Also may move (more) parts of the current wiki to those pages.

  • AOB
    • astronet.ru (simple reminder bullet)
No change at this time.

  • Interest Group and CSP changes?
Discussing with Francesca: TCG is growing and it's not always easy to discuss everything, and maybe not all IGs are interested in everything. At the same time, the CSP may be missing some voices about priorities. Would it make sense to relax IG required participation in TCG meetings, then increase their coordination with CSP meetings. Also need more activity among CSP membership.

  • Date for the next TCG vconf
    • Thursday 28 August 2025 @ 13:00 UTC - to restart/recap activities (and possibly start thinking about the November Interop)

TCG meeting dates, as well as other relevant meetings, should always be reported also at the IVOA Events page.

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Revision 42025-07-29 - TomDonaldson

 
META TOPICPARENT name="IvoaTCG"

TCG Meeting (online) - Tuesday July 29 2025 @ 13:00 UTC

informal meeting (halfway during northern summer)


Attendees

Changed:
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  • Attendees :
>
>
  • Attendees :
 
  • Regrets : Baptiste, Mark CD, Markus, Sara, Sébastien

vconf link zoom room

Actions

  • OPEN - put together a template for call for proposals; model after DAL
  • NEW - (BC) Ask Markus about use case for object_type vocab proposal
  • NEW - (ALL) brainstorm within groups about contributing to the data model usage hack-a-thon/workshop proposal

Agenda

  • TCG roles status
    • welcome Brigitta Sipocz, Apps vice-chair
    • positions still TBF: Radio IG vice-chair role is open

  • (standing item): documents on track
Added:
>
>		Ready except for reference implementations, so won't send to Exec yet. There is a library that speaks VOEvent 2.1, but we need another one. Baptiste may have Paris group implementing one for Solar System events.

 
      • StandardsRegExt-1.1 RFC page - status
        • please take action to finalize review (and vote)
      • MANGO-1.0 RFC page - start reviewing
    • EN
      • any?
    • Errata
      • any?
    • VEPs
      • 016 - ExportRequested - not yet operational on ADS (from MD)
      • any?
      • new vocabularies
        • Calibration levels ( DRAFT)
        • Object types ( DRAFT)

  • IVOA Northern Fall November 2025 Interoperability Meeting
Changed:
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    • Görlitz (Germany) - 14-16 November 2025
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>
    • Görlitz (Germany) - 14-16 November 2025
 
    • all details yet to set
Added:
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>		Details not available yet for the IVOA (or ADASS).
 
  • DM hack-a-thon/workshop
Added:
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>		Let's support this and assess when and how long it should be.
 
  • Documents Standard revision: quick status report
Changed:
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  • Major version transitioning: role of ConeSearch-2.0
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>		Hope to encourage take up before official REC to get more implementations (which could improve the stability and usage of the standard).
Added:
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>		 First step is to put issues on github ivoatex repo. Considering the IETF approach of RFC stage having a stable enough standard to implement against. Those implementations (done inside or outside the TCG) would lead to better concrete feedback and clarifying of use cases and allow the WGs to limit their scope more to just their group's interest. A full review is really difficult or impossible sometimes without doing some implmentation.

Would this speed things up, or slow things down? Would it help with the ordering problems of implementations versus documents.

More a matter of making the process more reliable than trying to speed things up.

CAOM is an example of something that have been around and implemented against for a while, but has some conflicts with other TCG activities that now need to be resolved.

Maybe try to plan a brainstorming/discussion session for TCG members (ideally face-to-face) seeded with gituhub issues and possible accompanying documents.

  • Major version transitioning: role of ConeSearch -2.0
When CS2.0 shows up, it will probably be in a separate repo, starting from scratch with the document. CS1.1 is being worked on as well.
 
  • New web page: status report
Added:
>
>		Goal to have test version of pages published for review. Also may move (more) parts of the current wiki to those pages.
 
  • AOB
    • astronet.ru (simple reminder bullet)
Added:
>
>		No change at this time.
 
Added:
>
>
  • Interest Group and CSP changes?
Discussing with Francesca: TCG is growing and it's not always easy to discuss everything, and maybe not all IGs are interested in everything. At the same time, the CSP may be missing some voices about priorities. Would it make sense to relax IG required participation in TCG meetings, then increase their coordination with CSP meetings. Also need more activity among CSP membership.
 
  • Date for the next TCG vconf
    • Thursday 28 August 2025 @ 13:00 UTC - to restart/recap activities (and possibly start thinking about the November Interop)

TCG meeting dates, as well as other relevant meetings, should always be reported also at the IVOA Events page.

Changed:
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Revision 32025-07-29 - MarcoMolinaro

 
META TOPICPARENT name="IvoaTCG"

TCG Meeting (online) - Tuesday July 29 2025 @ 13:00 UTC

informal meeting (halfway during northern summer)


Attendees

  • Attendees :
Changed:
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  • Regrets : Baptiste, Markus, Sara, Sébastien
>
>
  • Regrets : Baptiste, Mark CD, Markus, Sara, Sébastien
  vconf link zoom room

Actions

  • OPEN - put together a template for call for proposals; model after DAL
  • NEW - (BC) Ask Markus about use case for object_type vocab proposal
  • NEW - (ALL) brainstorm within groups about contributing to the data model usage hack-a-thon/workshop proposal

Agenda

  • TCG roles status
    • welcome Brigitta Sipocz, Apps vice-chair
    • positions still TBF: Radio IG vice-chair role is open

  • (standing item): documents on track
    • RFC
      • VOEvent-2.1 - RFC page - ready?
      • StandardsRegExt-1.1 RFC page - status
        • please take action to finalize review (and vote)
      • MANGO-1.0 RFC page - start reviewing
    • EN
      • any?
    • Errata
      • any?
Changed:
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<
>
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    • VEPs
      • 016 - ExportRequested - not yet operational on ADS (from MD)
 
      • any?
      • new vocabularies
        • Calibration levels ( DRAFT)
        • Object types ( DRAFT)

  • IVOA Northern Fall November 2025 Interoperability Meeting
    • Görlitz (Germany) - 14-16 November 2025
    • all details yet to set

  • DM hack-a-thon/workshop
  • Documents Standard revision: quick status report
  • Major version transitioning: role of ConeSearch-2.0
  • New web page: status report

  • AOB
    • astronet.ru (simple reminder bullet)

  • Date for the next TCG vconf
    • Thursday 28 August 2025 @ 13:00 UTC - to restart/recap activities (and possibly start thinking about the November Interop)

TCG meeting dates, as well as other relevant meetings, should always be reported also at the IVOA Events page. 

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Revision 22025-07-28 - MarcoMolinaro

 
META TOPICPARENT name="IvoaTCG"

TCG Meeting (online) - Tuesday July 29 2025 @ 13:00 UTC

informal meeting (halfway during northern summer)


Attendees

  • Attendees :
Changed:
<
<
  • Regrets :
>
>
  • Regrets : Baptiste, Markus, Sara, Sébastien
  vconf link zoom room

Actions

  • OPEN - put together a template for call for proposals; model after DAL
  • NEW - (BC) Ask Markus about use case for object_type vocab proposal
  • NEW - (ALL) brainstorm within groups about contributing to the data model usage hack-a-thon/workshop proposal

Agenda

  • TCG roles status
    • welcome Brigitta Sipocz, Apps vice-chair
    • positions still TBF: Radio IG vice-chair role is open

  • (standing item): documents on track
    • RFC
      • VOEvent-2.1 - RFC page - ready?
      • StandardsRegExt-1.1 RFC page - status
        • please take action to finalize review (and vote)
      • MANGO-1.0 RFC page - start reviewing
    • EN
      • any?
    • Errata
      • any?
    • VEPs
Added:
>
>
 
      • any?
      • new vocabularies
        • Calibration levels ( DRAFT)
        • Object types ( DRAFT)

  • IVOA Northern Fall November 2025 Interoperability Meeting
    • Görlitz (Germany) - 14-16 November 2025
    • all details yet to set

  • DM hack-a-thon/workshop
  • Documents Standard revision: quick status report
  • Major version transitioning: role of ConeSearch-2.0
  • New web page: status report

  • AOB
    • astronet.ru (simple reminder bullet)

  • Date for the next TCG vconf
    • Thursday 28 August 2025 @ 13:00 UTC - to restart/recap activities (and possibly start thinking about the November Interop)

TCG meeting dates, as well as other relevant meetings, should always be reported also at the IVOA Events page. 

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Revision 12025-07-25 - MarcoMolinaro

 
META TOPICPARENT name="IvoaTCG"

TCG Meeting (online) - Tuesday July 29 2025 @ 13:00 UTC

informal meeting (halfway during northern summer)


Attendees

  • Attendees :
  • Regrets :

vconf link zoom room

Actions

  • OPEN - put together a template for call for proposals; model after DAL
  • NEW - (BC) Ask Markus about use case for object_type vocab proposal
  • NEW - (ALL) brainstorm within groups about contributing to the data model usage hack-a-thon/workshop proposal

Agenda

  • TCG roles status
    • welcome Brigitta Sipocz, Apps vice-chair
    • positions still TBF: Radio IG vice-chair role is open

  • (standing item): documents on track
    • RFC
      • VOEvent-2.1 - RFC page - ready?
      • StandardsRegExt-1.1 RFC page - status
        • please take action to finalize review (and vote)
      • MANGO-1.0 RFC page - start reviewing
    • EN
      • any?
    • Errata
      • any?
    • VEPs
      • any?
      • new vocabularies
        • Calibration levels ( DRAFT)
        • Object types ( DRAFT)

  • IVOA Northern Fall November 2025 Interoperability Meeting
    • Görlitz (Germany) - 14-16 November 2025
    • all details yet to set

  • DM hack-a-thon/workshop
  • Documents Standard revision: quick status report
  • Major version transitioning: role of ConeSearch-2.0
  • New web page: status report

  • AOB
    • astronet.ru (simple reminder bullet)

  • Date for the next TCG vconf
    • Thursday 28 August 2025 @ 13:00 UTC - to restart/recap activities (and possibly start thinking about the November Interop)

TCG meeting dates, as well as other relevant meetings, should always be reported also at the IVOA Events page. 

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