Data Modeling Meeting

ESO, Garching, Jan. 23/24, 2003

InitialsSorted ascending Participant Affiliation
AM Alberto Micol, minutes ESA
BP Benoît Pirenne ESO
BV Bruno Voisin Astrovirtel visitor
FB François Bonnarel CDS
JH Jonas Haase ST-ECF
JMD Jonathan McDowell CfA
MD Markus Dolensky, chair ESO
MIL Mireille Louys CDS
ML Marco Leoni ESO
PB Pascal Ballester ESO
PD Pierre Didelon Terapix


Day 1, Room 231, 1:30 pm - 5:15 pm

# Time Moderator Topic
1 13:30 MD Intro, report on IVOA working groups
2 14:00 JMD IVOA data models
  15:00   break
3 15:20 MIL start open discussion of ...
      - reduction pipelines
      - data quality
      - hierarchy/granularity
      - versioning

Day 2, Room 232, 9 am - 12 am

# Time Moderator Topic
4 9:00 FB Aladin GOODS tree and IDHA data model
5 9:50 JMD Chandra pipeline architecture
6 10:30 AM HST pipeline architecture
  11:10   break
7 11:25 MD Formation of IVOA Data Modeling Standardization Group
    MD Events 2003

Meeting split for informal discussions within ESO.

Notes About Individual Agenda Items

1 [MD]: IVOA meeting conclusions

2 [JMD]: VO Data Models: status

report on boston meeting, Oct 2002

See above minutes for meaning of conforming data model and modelling exercise on spectral bandpass.

Wavelength/Frequency model



  (#PC: <FRAVERGY TYPE="wavelength" UNIT="nm">512.02</WAVELENGTH>?)

What is an image?

  • sparse (with bad pixel map) is ok
  • must have regular pixellated array
  • must have pixels with scalar simple data types (int, real, complex, char?)
  • can have n dimensions, n arbitrary

Aggregation is generally better/simpler than inheritance (HAS-A instead of IS-A)

What is data, hypermaps, images, tables, documents, code, plots, links, etc?

related documents

3 [MIL]: open discussion on ...

  • reduction pipelines
  • data quality
  • hierarchy/granularity in metadata
  • versioning

IDHA (Images Distribuées Hétérogènes pour l'Astronomie) team:

  • CDS FB, A.Oberto, et al
  • LSIIT ML, C.Collet
  • IAP, PD, Y.Mellier, E.Bertin
  • QUB: F.Murtagh

images in astronomy

  • A. metadata definition for image sets in diverse arch.
  • B. multicolor image analysis for obj. recognition and cross identification

Goal: provide a mode for astronomical image data

a) reduction pipeline

  • [JMD] 'region object' to describe FOV
  • make more general object which has a common concept for raw and processed images

b) data quality

  • measure for quality: dm richness (detailed), traceability (raw<=>publi.)

c) granularity

  • [BV] How about applicability XSLTs to manipulate XML DMs?
  • raw - cal. - mosaic - rgb ...

d) versioning

  • feedback loop: obs. - reduc. - visual. - interpret. (and back to obs.)
  • software versioning/data versioning

Day 2

4 [FB]: How data model + votable was used in AVO GOODS demo

Bonnarel, Louys, Boch, Fernique, Schaaf, Derriere, Ochsenbein

from datamodel to xml

  • visions of data model must be translated in documents for describing metadata (different scenarii for different users/applications)
  • xml good for exchanging
  • votable or some other dtd ? -> votable because already accepted
  • how to code a Tree (partial view of a DM) into a table oriented DTD?
  • chance: definition of VOTable RESOURCE is recursive (1->n links)
  • each class of the model is defined as a RESOURCE (fixed name, no ID in order to allow multi-occurance), with a specific table part
  • children classes as nested resources
  • [JMD]: How to link a filter in the Observing_group table to the filter given in the filter resource?
  • GOODS image server has more functionalities than public aladin; public aladin will inherit those, but not before summer
  • SIAP is flat, no hierarchy, output = single table

5 [JMD]: Chandra pipeline

chandra -> telemetry -> fits files with mnemonics (Level 0)

Level 1: takes level 0 data -> calibrated scientific file

Events ASOL (Aspecs solution, geometry vs time ra,dec,roll(t)), spacecraft attitude, bending of telescope tube, (1 arcsec within an observation!) HK, temperature, radiation environment, etc -> ra, dec for all photons,

between level 1 and 2: observation can be split up -> level two combines them

typical exptime: 50ksec to 100ksec (some 1ksec, some 1Msec)

level 2 removes garbage: L2 data is just a starting point used by naive users, experts will go back to L1

L1->L2 pipeline is publicly available

L3 pipeline (not yet in place): to generate uniform source catalogs, etc

L2 event list (EVT) -> binned on the fly to provide an image of requested resolution/size

dmcopy evt2.fits[energy=2000,5500][time=from,to][bin x=3000:4000:4,y=...] produces the requested image.

IDHA covers some part of Chandra calibration system, but not the bookkeeping.

6 [AM]: HST pipeline

in contrast to Chandra ...

  • pixel info and header info come from different sources (files + DBs) when assembling raw files
  • science and engineering streams are separated for HST, but not for Chandra

[PB] reports that IAU interferometry WG exists to define data format for interferometry

7 [MD]: Forming IVOA Data Modeling Standardisation WG

  • Forum:
  • Lead: Jonathan McDowell (CfA)
  • Members
    • Alberto Micol,
    • Mireille Louys,
    • ?Dave Giarretta?,
    • others...

For events 2003 see Avo:AvoEvents

further ...

  • NVO meeting in Nashville with AAS in June
  • NVO team meeting, where?, March,

Meeting adjourned. Splinter discussions followed on:

  • a possible model for a distributed Aladin, to access both data and metadata directly from the VO data centres, without the need of storing them in the Aladin server.
  • UCD discussion
  • a possible design for a Data Model suitable for an ASTROVIRTEL Exposure-Time-Calculator-based archive search engine. Version 0.2 will be drafted and sent to participants.

Action Items

  • [JMD] announce creation of DM group to
  • [MD] register below members with Haase, Micol, Leoni, Didelon, Bonnarel, McDowell, Louys, Dolensky, Voisin

(minutes written by A. Micol; edited by M. Dolensky)

Topic attachments
I Attachment Action Size Date Who Comment
Texttxt ivoa_wg.txt manage 1.1 K 2003-01-29 - 14:00 MarkusDolensky initiating IVOA standardization working groups
Topic revision: r2 - 2003-01-29 - MarkusDolensky
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