Semantics Session at the May 2014 Interop Meeting

Schedule

There is only one Semantics session: Wednesday 21 May, 12:00–13:30, in room D052

Notes from the Semantics session

Thanks to MireilleLouys for the session notes

Nicolas Moreau: Vocabulary developments in Paris

Discussion of mappings between Paris's astronomy thesaurus and other thesauri. Discussion of the length of time it takes to do the mapping. Some of the Mapping is done by NIST

Links with the Unified Astronomy Thesaurus (UAT). SebastienDerriere will follow up these links. Contact is AlbertoAccomazzi.

Several of the thesauri are maintained as structured text, from which SKOS is generated straightforwardly.

Baptiste Cecconi: UCD extension for planetary data

A new doc uploaded on the IVOA page.

Various proposed UCD discussed in the session

• em.mol.line observed: could be changed in present , considered , etc..
• FG: em below 10Mhz: what does it mean? Should the UCDs avoid interval overlaps?
• NG: does not the context help to disentangle?
• Planetary science needs a category below 20MHz
• Should we adapt to the community usage, and if so suggest em.pw for plasma wave
• The limit 20Mhz is really bound to atmospheric limit, so it's physically motivated.
• Keep em.radio.below10MHz or at least this 0-1Khz or 20Khz is the typical range for space

Norman Gray: Machine learning, and the identification of UCDs

• MG:do you remove some words in the text description? NG: the tool is made for larger portion of text but works on simple sentences rather nicely. Units may help to veto some assignments (instead of weight for assignments)
• MG: use a validation step to prevent from overfitting the result. Might be interesting to use a validation data set which is possibly completely independent.
• Which training set? The UCD list for instance
• MG: how to use the column name information as a complementary feature? This could help, theses are chosen with some sense of logic.
• SD: can you expect the system to propose a suggestion for a UCD ( use it as a predictive assignment tool) NG: No because it takes the whole string as one, and is not tokenizing the diff parts of the UCD string.
• PS: what if we use other kind of classifiers like Self Oarganizing Maps? MG: Such methods have been used for object types SKOS list, similarity measure should be defined for this kind of approach.
• MG, NG: size of training set to be increased: several thousands of items should be a valuable test configuration.

Norman/Sébastien: VOUnits discussion

VO-Units it at the end of the RFC process.

ALL: WG next projects

What are the next topics ?

• MG: A "dmtype" attribute is going to be included in VOtable specification on GROUPs and FIELDref: Is there an impact of the Semantic WG?
• Do we have to use SKOS concepts for consistency checks of this semantic tag?
• ML: should be a data model tag, leading to consistency with a DM context?
• NG: LINKS item of VOTABLE could be used to convey data model information ( like Utypes)

Update of UCD VO list

Action on MireilleLouys to contact the people of the committee for Maintenance UCD and circulate the list of proposed add-ons and corrections. NG and MG agreed to join the committee.

-- NormanGray - 2014-05-22

Semantics Session at the May 2014 Interop Meeting

Schedule

There is only one Semantics session: Wednesday 21 May, 12:00–13:30, in room D052

Speaker <-- -->	Title	Time	Slides
ALL	WG next projects	13:05–13:30
Baptiste Cecconi	UCD extension for planetary data	12:20–12:40	pdf
Nicolas Moreau	Vocabulary developments in Paris	12:00–12:20	pdf
Norman Gray	Machine learning, and the identification of UCDs	12:40–13:00	pdf
Norman/Sébastien	VOUnits discussion	13:00–13:05

Notes from the Semantics session

Thanks to MireilleLouys for the session notes

Nicolas Moreau: Vocabulary developments in Paris

Discussion of mappings between Paris's astronomy thesaurus and other thesauri. Discussion of the length of time it takes to do the mapping. Some of the Mapping is done by NIST

Links with the Unified Astronomy Thesaurus (UAT). SebastienDerriere will follow up these links. Contact is AlbertoAccomazzi.

Several of the thesauri are maintained as structured text, from which SKOS is generated straightforwardly.

Baptiste Cecconi: UCD extension for planetary data

A new doc uploaded on the IVOA page.

Various proposed UCD discussed in the session

• em.mol.line observed: could be changed in present , considered , etc..
• FG: em below 10Mhz: what does it mean? Should the UCDs avoid interval overlaps?
• NG: does not the context help to disentangle?
• Planetary science needs a category below 20MHz
• Should we adapt to the community usage, and if so suggest em.pw for plasma wave
• The limit 20Mhz is really bound to atmospheric limit, so it's physically motivated.
• Keep em.radio.below10MHz or at least this 0-1Khz or 20Khz is the typical range for space

Norman Gray: Machine learning, and the identification of UCDs

• MG:do you remove some words in the text description? NG: the tool is made for larger portion of text but works on simple sentences rather nicely. Units may help to veto some assignments (instead of weight for assignments)
• MG: use a validation step to prevent from overfitting the result. Might be interesting to use a validation data set which is possibly completely independent.
• Which training set? The UCD list for instance
• MG: how to use the column name information as a complementary feature? This could help, theses are chosen with some sense of logic.
• SD: can you expect the system to propose a suggestion for a UCD ( use it as a predictive assignment tool) NG: No because it takes the whole string as one, and is not tokenizing the diff parts of the UCD string.
• PS: what if we use other kind of classifiers like Self Oarganizing Maps? MG: Such methods have been used for object types SKOS list, similarity measure should be defined for this kind of approach.
• MG, NG: size of training set to be increased: several thousands of items should be a valuable test configuration.

Norman/Sébastien: VOUnits discussion

VO-Units it at the end of the RFC process.

ALL: WG next projects

What are the next topics ?

• MG: A "dmtype" attribute is going to be included in VOtable specification on GROUPs and FIELDref: Is there an impact of the Semantic WG?
• Do we have to use SKOS concepts for consistency checks of this semantic tag?
• ML: should be a data model tag, leading to consistency with a DM context?
• NG: LINKS item of VOTABLE could be used to convey data model information ( like Utypes)

Update of UCD VO list

Action on MireilleLouys to contact the people of the committee for Maintenance UCD and circulate the list of proposed add-ons and corrections. NG and MG agreed to join the committee.

-- NormanGray - 2014-05-22

Semantics Session at the May 2014 Interop Meeting

Schedule

There is only one Semantics session: Wednesday 21 May, 12:00–13:30, in room D052

Notes from the Semantics session

Thanks to MireilleLouys for the session notes

Nicolas Moreau: Vocabulary developments in Paris

Discussion of mappings between Paris's astronomy thesaurus and other thesauri. Discussion of the length of time it takes to do the mapping. Some of the Mapping is done by NIST

Links with the Unified Astronomy Thesaurus (UAT). SebastienDerriere will follow up these links. Contact is AlbertoAccomazzi.

Several of the thesauri are maintained as structured text, from which SKOS is generated straightforwardly.

Baptiste Cecconi: UCD extension for planetary data

A new doc uploaded on the IVOA page.

Various proposed UCD discussed in the session

• em.mol.line observed: could be changed in present , considered , etc..
• FG: em below 10Mhz: what does it mean? Should the UCDs avoid interval overlaps?
• NG: does not the context help to disentangle?
• Planetary science needs a category below 20MHz
• Should we adapt to the community usage, and if so suggest em.pw for plasma wave
• The limit 20Mhz is really bound to atmospheric limit, so it's physically motivated.
• Keep em.radio.below10MHz or at least this 0-1Khz or 20Khz is the typical range for space

Norman Gray: Machine learning, and the identification of UCDs

• MG:do you remove some words in the text description? NG: the tool is made for larger portion of text but works on simple sentences rather nicely. Units may help to veto some assignments (instead of weight for assignments)
• MG: use a validation step to prevent from overfitting the result. Might be interesting to use a validation data set which is possibly completely independent.
• Which training set? The UCD list for instance
• MG: how to use the column name information as a complementary feature? This could help, theses are chosen with some sense of logic.
• SD: can you expect the system to propose a suggestion for a UCD ( use it as a predictive assignment tool) NG: No because it takes the whole string as one, and is not tokenizing the diff parts of the UCD string.
• PS: what if we use other kind of classifiers like Self Oarganizing Maps? MG: Such methods have been used for object types SKOS list, similarity measure should be defined for this kind of approach.
• MG, NG: size of training set to be increased: several thousands of items should be a valuable test configuration.

Norman/Sébastien: VOUnits discussion

VO-Units it at the end of the RFC process.

ALL: WG next projects

What are the next topics ?

• MG: A "dmtype" attribute is going to be included in VOtable specification on GROUPs and FIELDref: Is there an impact of the Semantic WG?
• Do we have to use SKOS concepts for consistency checks of this semantic tag?
• ML: should be a data model tag, leading to consistency with a DM context?
• NG: LINKS item of VOTABLE could be used to convey data model information ( like Utypes)

Update of UCD VO list

Action on MireilleLouys to contact the people of the committee for Maintenance UCD and circulate the list of proposed add-ons and corrections. NG and MG agreed to join the committee.

-- NormanGray - 2014-05-22

Semantics Session at the May 2014 Interop Meeting

Schedule

Notes from the Semantics session

Thanks to MireilleLouys for the session notes

Nicolas Moreau: Vocabulary developments in Paris

Baptiste Cecconi: UCD extension for planetary data

A new doc uploaded on the IVOA page.

Various proposed UCD discussed in the session

• FG: em below 10Mhz: what does it mean? Should the UCDs avoid interval overlaps?
• NG: does not the context help to disentangle?

• The limit 20Mhz is really bound to atmospheric limit, so it's physically motivated.
• Keep em.radio.below10MHz or at least this 0-1Khz or 20Khz is the typical range for space

Norman Gray: Machine learning, and the identification of UCDs

• MG: how to use the column name information as a complementary feature? This could help, theses are chosen with some sense of logic.
• SD: can you expect the system to propose a suggestion for a UCD ( use it as a predictive assignment tool) NG: No because it takes the whole string as one, and is not tokenizing the diff parts of the UCD string.
• PS: what if we use other kind of classifiers like Self Oarganizing Maps? MG: Such methods have been used for object types SKOS list, similarity measure should be defined for this kind of approach.

Norman/Sébastien: VOUnits discussion

VO-Units it at the end of the RFC process.

• MG: A "dmtype" attribute is going to be included in VOtable specification on GROUPs and FIELDref: Is there an impact of the Semantic WG?
• Do we have to use SKOS concepts for consistency checks of this semantic tag?
• ML: should be a data model tag, leading to consistency with a DM context?

Update of UCD VO list

Semantics Session at the May 2014 Interop Meeting

Schedule

There is only one Semantics session: Wednesday 21 May, 12:00–13:30, in room D052

Semantics Session at the May 2014 Interop Meeting

Schedule

There is only one Semantics session: Wednesday 21 May, 12:00–13:30, in room D052

Please send suggestions for talks to Norman Gray, copying Mireille Louys.

-- NormanGray - 2014-05-14

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Semantics Session at the May 2014 Interop Meeting

Schedule

There is only one Semantics session: Wednesday 21 May, 12:00–13:30, in room D052

Please send suggestions for talks to Norman Gray, copying Mireille Louys.

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Semantics Session at the May 2014 Interop Meeting

Schedule

Please send suggestions for talks to Norman Gray, copying Mireille Louys.

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Semantics Session at the May 2014 Interop Meeting

Schedule

There is only one Semantics session: Thursday 22 May, 10:00–11:30, in room D052

Please send suggestions for talks to Norman Gray, copying Mireille Louys.

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Semantics Session at the May 2014 Interop Meeting

Schedule

There is only one Semantics session: Thursday 22 May, 10:00–11:30, in room D052

Please send suggestions for talks to Norman Gray, copying Mireille Louys.

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