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Provenance day in Heidelberg, Germany, 2016 June 14th
Follow-up meeting
Participants
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Leaving time |
Mathieu |
Servillat |
LUTH, Observatoire de Paris |
14/06 11:00? |
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Michèle |
Sanguillon |
LUPM, Montpellier, France |
Frankfurt-Hahn: 13/06/16-23:35. Heidelberg : 14/06/16 depending on program |
Heidelberg:15/06/16-16:00 |
Markus |
Nullmeier |
GAVO / Uni Heidelberg |
N / A |
N / A |
Mireille |
Louys |
CDS, Icube, Université Strasbourg |
14/06 9:00 |
16/06 18:00 |
François |
Bonnarel |
CDS Strasbourg |
June 14th |
June 14th |
Kristin |
Riebe |
AIP, Potsdam |
14/06 10:15 |
16/06/17:00 |
insert your name here...
Venue
A room is reserved for us at Astronomisches Rechen-Institut (ARI), see http://www.g-vo.org/edp-forum-2016/venue.html for how to get there. |
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< < | Topics to dicuss |
> > | Topics discussed |
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> > | See Minutes from Mathieu attached here and from Kristin attached here
Apologies for the draft nature of the minutes -- Mireille |
| * Data Model updates
* Structuring a database from the data model
* Storing/serializing the Activity/Entity Descriptions
- AI Mathieu: make a proposition for next meeting (vo-table params? or json? xml?)
* Access to the Provenance database |
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< < | - first version without "parameter"-class, ObsCore like => ProvTAP |
> > | - prepare a first version without "Parameter"-class and a link to ObsCore / |
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> > | - prototype a ProvTAP based on a dedicated TAP schema for Activity/Agent/Entity reusing ObsTAP for Entity? (not sure I got it right ...ML) |
| * Structure and content of the IVOA working draft
* Roadmap for Trieste (Interop in October) and beyond
* Contributions to ADASS Oct. 2016? |
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< < | - AI: Kristin: Provenance Overview/Review |
> > | - AI: Kristin: Provenance Overview/Review --> oral proposal submitted |
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< < | - AI: Mathieu: CTA + Provenance |
> > | - AI: Mathieu: CTA + Provenance --> |
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< < | * Next Provenance day meeting |
> > | * Next Provenance day meeting: arranged for July 20th |
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< < | - 18-20 July or week of 22nd August in Paris, Mathieu will check room availability |
> > | * News : the Provenance Week , washington DC in June / RDA interest group (little activity) / next RDA meeting in Denver , attached to CODATA conference |
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< < | * news : the provenance Week / RDA interest group (little activity) / |
| Goals as proposed for roadmap (Kristin)
- define minimum requirements for the data model
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- finalize the data model (diagram)
so that it works with only minor modifications for all our use cases including VODML-compliant representation (e.g. using Modelio, Magic Draw)
- have the draft out as official working draft
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- finalize the data model (diagram)
so that it works with only minor modifications for all our use cases including VODML-compliant representation (e.g. using Modelio, Magic Draw)
- have the draft out as official working draft possibly before Trieste
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- rewrite a concise introduction : AI: Mathieu: goals , provenance definition of term in our context, how it is inserted in context ( what it is not ( Wflow), previous efforts, insert architecture section
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- rewrite a concise introduction : AI: Mathieu: goals , definition for the "provenance" term in our context, how it is inserted in astronomical context, what it is not (different from Workflow, for instance), previous efforts, insert architecture section
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- including minimum requirements
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- what is needed and reused from W3C : W3C Core
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- what is needed and reused from the W3C proposal: a kind of W3C Core
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- including a section on serialising the data model
- including a section on accessing provenance data
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< < | AI: all : insert examples of questions( queries) illustrating provenance usage in Requirements 1.2.1
- get the progenitors for a specified dataset (entity) give me the history, activities and progenitors for a particular entity responsibility view for the agent : who was involved for this activity / for this entity get me the activities execution status and activity description
- AI all: question to answer: is Activity description part of the model or part of the implementation
- should we plan diff levels of detail?
- details levels : basic, detailed, full?? it is up to the applications and access services --> AI Mireille? all ?: iterate to reformulate more simply
- AI Kristin : rewrite 1.2.4
- AI François add in Previous efforts / IPAW International Provenance Annotation Workshop community
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> > | AI: all : insert examples of questions( queries) illustrating provenance usage in section Requirements 1.2.1
- examples
- get the progenitors for a specified dataset (entity)
- give me the history, activities and progenitors for a particular entity
- responsibility view for the agent : who was involved for this activity
- for this entity get me the activities execution status and activity description
AI all: question to answer: |
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- is Activity description part of the model or part of the implementation
- should we plan diff levels of detail? e.g., details levels : basic, detailed, full??
- it is up to the applications and access services --> AI Mireille? all ?: iterate to reformulate more simply
AI Kristin : rewrite 1.2.4 AI François add an historical summary in Previous efforts ? / IPAW International Provenance Annotation Workshop community |
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- Assign sections to various writers and decide a deadline: end of July?
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- work out relations between SimDM and ProvDM
- – (have at least one use case worked out with both models)
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- Work out relations between SimDM and ProvDM
- Have at least one use case worked out with both models
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