Revision 442024-11-07 - JanetEvans

META TOPICPARENT	name="IvoaTCG"

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

The Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team was formed in Tucson at the Interop meeting in Nov 2023. The aim is to address the question of compatibility of the DAL protocols (and by implication protocols such as UWS) with modern web development tools. A number of people volunteered to form a tiger team to work on this.

The recommendations being examined would mostly be in DAL and GWS (e.g., TAP, SIA2, SODA, UWS) so will need to be a cross WG effort. A question to answer is : How do we adapt the protocol interactions to be compatible with tools such as OpenAPI.

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

Membership - email alias "P3T"

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James Dempsey - james.dempsey@csiro.au - Lead (DAL Ch) - P3T Lead
Dave Morris - dave@metagrid.co.uk

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~20 subscribers from major projects in the High Energy regime

To be added to the email list, use the following link:
- http://mail.ivoa.net/mailman/listinfo/p3t

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Kim Gillies - kgillies@tmt.org (If we are volunteering to help with creating service APIs in OPENAPI, I would participate)
Gregory Dubois Felsmann - gpdf@ipac.caltech.edu
Grégory Mantelet - gregory.mantelet@astro.unistra.fr (DAL V Ch)
Janet Evans - janet@cfa.harvard.edu
Jesus Salgado - jesus.salgado@skao.int (GWS Ch)
Jose Osinde Lopez - Jose.Osinde@ext.esa.int
Joshua Fraustro - jfraustro@stsci.edu (sharing pydantic/pydantic-xml models)
Marco Molinaro - marco.molinaro@inaf.it
Rick Ebert - rick.ebert@caltech.edu (NED) anything that helps to standardize datamodel/semantics
Paul Harrison - paul.harrison@manchester.ac.uk
Sara Bertocco - sara.bertocco@inaf.it (GWS V Ch)
Theresa Dower - dower@stsci.edu (work on open sourcing the pydantic model code in recent MAST TAP services.)
Tom Donaldson - tdonaldson@stsci.edu
Adrian Damian - adrian.damian@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Brian Major - brian.major@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Russ Allbery - eagle@eyrie.org
Pat Dowler - pdowler.cadc@gmail.com

Meetings (reverse order)

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Next mtg: Malta P3T Plenary - 15Nov2024

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Wed 23 Oct 2024 @20:00 UTC - 23_Oct_Mtg_Notes

Wed 16 Oct 2024 @20 UTC - 16_Oct_Mtg_Notes
Mon 23 Sep 2024 @20 UTC - 23_Sep_Mtg_Notes
Mon 26 Aug 2024 @20 UTC - 26_Aug_Mtg_Notes
Mon 15 Jul 2024 @20 UTC - 15_Jul_Mtg_Notes

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Wed 22 May 2024 at 1:30 Sydney - P3T_Forward_Planning_mtg_May22.pdf
Wed 22 May 2024 at 9am Sydney - P3T Plenary session
Thu/Fri May 16/17 Sydney 10am Local time;

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Sydney Interop - Wed 22 May 2024 at 1:30 - P3T_Forward_Planning_mtg_May22.pdf
Sydney Interop - Wed 22 May 2024 at 9am - P3T Plenary session
Pre-Sydney P3T Mtg - Thu/Fri May 16/17

- Agenda - PTTT_May1617_Schedule.pdf
- Notes - Yopad shared notes May 16, Yopad shared notes May 17 (will expired July 2024) - IVOA_16May_PTTT.pdf and IVOA_17May_PTTT.pdf
Mon 22 Apr 2024 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire June 2024) - IVOA_26Apr_PTTT.pdf
Mon 25 Mar 2024 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire May 2024) - IVOA_26Mar_PTTT.pdf
26 Feb 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire April 2024) - IVOA_26Feb_PTTT.pdf
22 Jan 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes - IVOA_22Jan_PTTT.pdf
Nov 2023 - Tucson Interop - Modernization_of_protocols.pdf (From DAL session YOPAD)

High-Level Roadmap

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Setup a wiki & mail list
Meet over 4 months ... Jan - April (once a month)
Plan to meet in Sydney 2 days (Thu/Fri, May 16/17) prior to IVOA that starts on Sunday (discussed with Simon/he can do it)
May Interop : May 20-24; TCG mtg: May 19
Followup with 3 phase plan ... Phase 1 due @ Fall Interop

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P3T Initialted at Tucson 2023 Fall mtg, based on discussion/input at May Bologna meeting (May 2023)
Jan - April 2024 - Meet each month - notes above
May 16/17 - 2 day coordination meeting prior to Sydney Interop
- Defined 3 phase plan:
  - 1) Pilot Project

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- - - Initial proof of concept (TAP, UWS, Execution broker, doc changes)
    - Produce WDs
    - Introduce common style of error responses across all standards
    - Check Implications to other services (RegTAP, ObsTAP, EPN-TAP, ObsLocTap)
    - Produce IVOA note based on experience
  - 2) Leads to 1st set of Recs
    - TAP, UWS, DALI, Service Descriptor (DataLink), VOSI
    - PRs and RECs fo through the normal review process
  - 3) Review other standards (consider ... DataLink, VOSpace, SODA)
May Sydney Interop Plenary - present plan / discuss
May - Oct - Meet each month (5 times); include mtg with Apps group (Client developers)
Nov 15 - Malta Interop Plenary - Proof of concept report out/discussion

OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)

https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-openapi - UWS OpenAPI spec (WIP)
https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-models - Pydantic python models
https://github.com/pahjbo/DataModelPlayground/tree/interface_models - defining the data models in VO-DML with automatic java and python code generation.

Related GitHub issues (add yours)

References

OpenAPIs - https://www.openapis.org
Frossie's talk at Bologna in GWS2 - https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpMay2023GWS
Joshua's talk in Bologna in DAL: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2023DAL/mast-tapservice-fraustro.pdf
Simbad ConeSearch service I presented in Bologna: https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/cone/help/
Notes of the DAL sessions with volunteer list for the Tiger Team at the end of the doc: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpNov2023DAL/DAL_1.pdf

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Revision 432024-10-22 - JanetEvans

META TOPICPARENT	name="IvoaTCG"

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

The Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team was formed in Tucson at the Interop meeting in Nov 2023. The aim is to address the question of compatibility of the DAL protocols (and by implication protocols such as UWS) with modern web development tools. A number of people volunteered to form a tiger team to work on this.

The recommendations being examined would mostly be in DAL and GWS (e.g., TAP, SIA2, SODA, UWS) so will need to be a cross WG effort. A question to answer is : How do we adapt the protocol interactions to be compatible with tools such as OpenAPI.

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

Membership - email alias "P3T"

James Dempsey - james.dempsey@csiro.au - Lead (DAL Ch) - P3T Lead
Dave Morris - dave@metagrid.co.uk
Kim Gillies - kgillies@tmt.org (If we are volunteering to help with creating service APIs in OPENAPI, I would participate)
Gregory Dubois Felsmann - gpdf@ipac.caltech.edu
Grégory Mantelet - gregory.mantelet@astro.unistra.fr (DAL V Ch)
Janet Evans - janet@cfa.harvard.edu
Jesus Salgado - jesus.salgado@skao.int (GWS Ch)
Jose Osinde Lopez - Jose.Osinde@ext.esa.int
Joshua Fraustro - jfraustro@stsci.edu (sharing pydantic/pydantic-xml models)
Marco Molinaro - marco.molinaro@inaf.it
Rick Ebert - rick.ebert@caltech.edu (NED) anything that helps to standardize datamodel/semantics
Paul Harrison - paul.harrison@manchester.ac.uk
Sara Bertocco - sara.bertocco@inaf.it (GWS V Ch)
Theresa Dower - dower@stsci.edu (work on open sourcing the pydantic model code in recent MAST TAP services.)
Tom Donaldson - tdonaldson@stsci.edu
Adrian Damian - adrian.damian@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Brian Major - brian.major@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Russ Allbery - eagle@eyrie.org
Pat Dowler - pdowler.cadc@gmail.com

Meetings (reverse order)

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Next mtg: Wed 23 Oct 2024 @20:00 UTC - 23_Oct_Mtg_Notes

Wed 16 Oct 2024 @20 UTC - 16_Oct_Mtg_Notes
Mon 23 Sep 2024 @20 UTC - 23_Sep_Mtg_Notes
Mon 26 Aug 2024 @20 UTC - 26_Aug_Mtg_Notes
Mon 15 Jul 2024 @20 UTC - 15_Jul_Mtg_Notes
Wed 22 May 2024 at 1:30 Sydney - P3T_Forward_Planning_mtg_May22.pdf
Wed 22 May 2024 at 9am Sydney - P3T Plenary session
Thu/Fri May 16/17 Sydney 10am Local time;
- Agenda - PTTT_May1617_Schedule.pdf
- Notes - Yopad shared notes May 16, Yopad shared notes May 17 (will expired July 2024) - IVOA_16May_PTTT.pdf and IVOA_17May_PTTT.pdf
Mon 22 Apr 2024 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire June 2024) - IVOA_26Apr_PTTT.pdf
Mon 25 Mar 2024 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire May 2024) - IVOA_26Mar_PTTT.pdf
26 Feb 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire April 2024) - IVOA_26Feb_PTTT.pdf
22 Jan 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes - IVOA_22Jan_PTTT.pdf
Nov 2023 - Tucson Interop - Modernization_of_protocols.pdf (From DAL session YOPAD)

High-Level Roadmap

Setup a wiki & mail list
Meet over 4 months ... Jan - April (once a month)
Plan to meet in Sydney 2 days (Thu/Fri, May 16/17) prior to IVOA that starts on Sunday (discussed with Simon/he can do it)
May Interop : May 20-24; TCG mtg: May 19
Followup with 3 phase plan ... Phase 1 due @ Fall Interop

OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)

https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-openapi - UWS OpenAPI spec (WIP)
https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-models - Pydantic python models
https://github.com/pahjbo/DataModelPlayground/tree/interface_models - defining the data models in VO-DML with automatic java and python code generation.

Related GitHub issues (add yours)

References

OpenAPIs - https://www.openapis.org
Frossie's talk at Bologna in GWS2 - https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpMay2023GWS
Joshua's talk in Bologna in DAL: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2023DAL/mast-tapservice-fraustro.pdf
Simbad ConeSearch service I presented in Bologna: https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/cone/help/
Notes of the DAL sessions with volunteer list for the Tiger Team at the end of the doc: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpNov2023DAL/DAL_1.pdf

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Revision 422024-10-16 - JanetEvans

META TOPICPARENT	name="IvoaTCG"

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

The Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team was formed in Tucson at the Interop meeting in Nov 2023. The aim is to address the question of compatibility of the DAL protocols (and by implication protocols such as UWS) with modern web development tools. A number of people volunteered to form a tiger team to work on this.

The recommendations being examined would mostly be in DAL and GWS (e.g., TAP, SIA2, SODA, UWS) so will need to be a cross WG effort. A question to answer is : How do we adapt the protocol interactions to be compatible with tools such as OpenAPI.

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

Membership - email alias "P3T"

James Dempsey - james.dempsey@csiro.au - Lead (DAL Ch) - P3T Lead
Dave Morris - dave@metagrid.co.uk
Kim Gillies - kgillies@tmt.org (If we are volunteering to help with creating service APIs in OPENAPI, I would participate)
Gregory Dubois Felsmann - gpdf@ipac.caltech.edu
Grégory Mantelet - gregory.mantelet@astro.unistra.fr (DAL V Ch)
Janet Evans - janet@cfa.harvard.edu
Jesus Salgado - jesus.salgado@skao.int (GWS Ch)
Jose Osinde Lopez - Jose.Osinde@ext.esa.int
Joshua Fraustro - jfraustro@stsci.edu (sharing pydantic/pydantic-xml models)
Marco Molinaro - marco.molinaro@inaf.it
Rick Ebert - rick.ebert@caltech.edu (NED) anything that helps to standardize datamodel/semantics
Paul Harrison - paul.harrison@manchester.ac.uk
Sara Bertocco - sara.bertocco@inaf.it (GWS V Ch)
Theresa Dower - dower@stsci.edu (work on open sourcing the pydantic model code in recent MAST TAP services.)
Tom Donaldson - tdonaldson@stsci.edu
Adrian Damian - adrian.damian@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Brian Major - brian.major@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Russ Allbery - eagle@eyrie.org
Pat Dowler - pdowler.cadc@gmail.com

Meetings (reverse order)

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Wed 16 Oct 2024 @20 UTC - 16_Oct_Mtg_Notes

Mon 23 Sep 2024 @20 UTC - 23_Sep_Mtg_Notes
Mon 26 Aug 2024 @20 UTC - 26_Aug_Mtg_Notes
Mon 15 Jul 2024 @20 UTC - 15_Jul_Mtg_Notes
Wed 22 May 2024 at 1:30 Sydney - P3T_Forward_Planning_mtg_May22.pdf
Wed 22 May 2024 at 9am Sydney - P3T Plenary session
Thu/Fri May 16/17 Sydney 10am Local time;
- Agenda - PTTT_May1617_Schedule.pdf
- Notes - Yopad shared notes May 16, Yopad shared notes May 17 (will expired July 2024) - IVOA_16May_PTTT.pdf and IVOA_17May_PTTT.pdf
Mon 22 Apr 2024 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire June 2024) - IVOA_26Apr_PTTT.pdf
Mon 25 Mar 2024 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire May 2024) - IVOA_26Mar_PTTT.pdf
26 Feb 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire April 2024) - IVOA_26Feb_PTTT.pdf
22 Jan 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes - IVOA_22Jan_PTTT.pdf
Nov 2023 - Tucson Interop - Modernization_of_protocols.pdf (From DAL session YOPAD)

High-Level Roadmap

Setup a wiki & mail list
Meet over 4 months ... Jan - April (once a month)
Plan to meet in Sydney 2 days (Thu/Fri, May 16/17) prior to IVOA that starts on Sunday (discussed with Simon/he can do it)
May Interop : May 20-24; TCG mtg: May 19
Followup with 3 phase plan ... Phase 1 due @ Fall Interop

OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)

https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-openapi - UWS OpenAPI spec (WIP)
https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-models - Pydantic python models
https://github.com/pahjbo/DataModelPlayground/tree/interface_models - defining the data models in VO-DML with automatic java and python code generation.

Related GitHub issues (add yours)

References

OpenAPIs - https://www.openapis.org
Frossie's talk at Bologna in GWS2 - https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpMay2023GWS
Joshua's talk in Bologna in DAL: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2023DAL/mast-tapservice-fraustro.pdf
Simbad ConeSearch service I presented in Bologna: https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/cone/help/
Notes of the DAL sessions with volunteer list for the Tiger Team at the end of the doc: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpNov2023DAL/DAL_1.pdf

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Revision 412024-09-26 - JanetEvans

META TOPICPARENT	name="IvoaTCG"

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

The Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team was formed in Tucson at the Interop meeting in Nov 2023. The aim is to address the question of compatibility of the DAL protocols (and by implication protocols such as UWS) with modern web development tools. A number of people volunteered to form a tiger team to work on this.

The recommendations being examined would mostly be in DAL and GWS (e.g., TAP, SIA2, SODA, UWS) so will need to be a cross WG effort. A question to answer is : How do we adapt the protocol interactions to be compatible with tools such as OpenAPI.

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

Membership - email alias "P3T"

James Dempsey - james.dempsey@csiro.au - Lead (DAL Ch) - P3T Lead
Dave Morris - dave@metagrid.co.uk
Kim Gillies - kgillies@tmt.org (If we are volunteering to help with creating service APIs in OPENAPI, I would participate)
Gregory Dubois Felsmann - gpdf@ipac.caltech.edu
Grégory Mantelet - gregory.mantelet@astro.unistra.fr (DAL V Ch)
Janet Evans - janet@cfa.harvard.edu
Jesus Salgado - jesus.salgado@skao.int (GWS Ch)
Jose Osinde Lopez - Jose.Osinde@ext.esa.int
Joshua Fraustro - jfraustro@stsci.edu (sharing pydantic/pydantic-xml models)
Marco Molinaro - marco.molinaro@inaf.it
Rick Ebert - rick.ebert@caltech.edu (NED) anything that helps to standardize datamodel/semantics
Paul Harrison - paul.harrison@manchester.ac.uk
Sara Bertocco - sara.bertocco@inaf.it (GWS V Ch)
Theresa Dower - dower@stsci.edu (work on open sourcing the pydantic model code in recent MAST TAP services.)
Tom Donaldson - tdonaldson@stsci.edu
Adrian Damian - adrian.damian@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Brian Major - brian.major@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Russ Allbery - eagle@eyrie.org
Pat Dowler - pdowler.cadc@gmail.com

Meetings (reverse order)

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Mon 26 Aug 2024 @20 UTC - 26_Aug_Mtg_Notes
Mon 15 Jul 2024 @20 UTC - 15_Jul_Mtg_Notes
Wed 22 May 2024 at 1:30 Sydney - P3T_Forward_Planning_mtg_May22.pdf
Wed 22 May 2024 at 9am Sydney - P3T Plenary session
Thu/Fri May 16/17 Sydney 10am Local time;
- Agenda - PTTT_May1617_Schedule.pdf
- Notes - Yopad shared notes May 16, Yopad shared notes May 17 (will expired July 2024) - IVOA_16May_PTTT.pdf and IVOA_17May_PTTT.pdf
Mon 22 Apr 2024 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire June 2024) - IVOA_26Apr_PTTT.pdf
Mon 25 Mar 2024 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire May 2024) - IVOA_26Mar_PTTT.pdf
26 Feb 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire April 2024) - IVOA_26Feb_PTTT.pdf
22 Jan 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes - IVOA_22Jan_PTTT.pdf
Nov 2023 - Tucson Interop - Modernization_of_protocols.pdf (From DAL session YOPAD)

High-Level Roadmap

Setup a wiki & mail list
Meet over 4 months ... Jan - April (once a month)
Plan to meet in Sydney 2 days (Thu/Fri, May 16/17) prior to IVOA that starts on Sunday (discussed with Simon/he can do it)
May Interop : May 20-24; TCG mtg: May 19
Followup with 3 phase plan ... Phase 1 due @ Fall Interop

OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)

https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-openapi - UWS OpenAPI spec (WIP)
https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-models - Pydantic python models
https://github.com/pahjbo/DataModelPlayground/tree/interface_models - defining the data models in VO-DML with automatic java and python code generation.

Related GitHub issues (add yours)

References

OpenAPIs - https://www.openapis.org
Frossie's talk at Bologna in GWS2 - https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpMay2023GWS
Joshua's talk in Bologna in DAL: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2023DAL/mast-tapservice-fraustro.pdf
Simbad ConeSearch service I presented in Bologna: https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/cone/help/
Notes of the DAL sessions with volunteer list for the Tiger Team at the end of the doc: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpNov2023DAL/DAL_1.pdf

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Revision 402024-09-20 - JanetEvans

META TOPICPARENT	name="IvoaTCG"

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

The Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team was formed in Tucson at the Interop meeting in Nov 2023. The aim is to address the question of compatibility of the DAL protocols (and by implication protocols such as UWS) with modern web development tools. A number of people volunteered to form a tiger team to work on this.

The recommendations being examined would mostly be in DAL and GWS (e.g., TAP, SIA2, SODA, UWS) so will need to be a cross WG effort. A question to answer is : How do we adapt the protocol interactions to be compatible with tools such as OpenAPI.

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

Membership - email alias "P3T"

James Dempsey - james.dempsey@csiro.au - Lead (DAL Ch) - P3T Lead
Dave Morris - dave@metagrid.co.uk
Kim Gillies - kgillies@tmt.org (If we are volunteering to help with creating service APIs in OPENAPI, I would participate)
Gregory Dubois Felsmann - gpdf@ipac.caltech.edu
Grégory Mantelet - gregory.mantelet@astro.unistra.fr (DAL V Ch)
Janet Evans - janet@cfa.harvard.edu
Jesus Salgado - jesus.salgado@skao.int (GWS Ch)
Jose Osinde Lopez - Jose.Osinde@ext.esa.int
Joshua Fraustro - jfraustro@stsci.edu (sharing pydantic/pydantic-xml models)
Marco Molinaro - marco.molinaro@inaf.it
Rick Ebert - rick.ebert@caltech.edu (NED) anything that helps to standardize datamodel/semantics
Paul Harrison - paul.harrison@manchester.ac.uk
Sara Bertocco - sara.bertocco@inaf.it (GWS V Ch)
Theresa Dower - dower@stsci.edu (work on open sourcing the pydantic model code in recent MAST TAP services.)
Tom Donaldson - tdonaldson@stsci.edu
Adrian Damian - adrian.damian@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Brian Major - brian.major@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Russ Allbery - eagle@eyrie.org
Pat Dowler - pdowler.cadc@gmail.com

Meetings (reverse order)

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Mon, Sep 23 2024 @20 UTC - Next Meeting; Draft agenda: Status, Docs, Plan engaging with existing clients, Start of Interop planning

>
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Mon 23 Sep 2024 @20 UTC - 23_Sep_Mtg_Agenda

Mon 26 Aug 2024 @20 UTC - 26_Aug_Mtg_Notes
Mon 15 Jul 2024 @20 UTC - 15_Jul_Mtg_Notes
Wed 22 May 2024 at 1:30 Sydney - P3T_Forward_Planning_mtg_May22.pdf
Wed 22 May 2024 at 9am Sydney - P3T Plenary session
Thu/Fri May 16/17 Sydney 10am Local time;
- Agenda - PTTT_May1617_Schedule.pdf
- Notes - Yopad shared notes May 16, Yopad shared notes May 17 (will expired July 2024) - IVOA_16May_PTTT.pdf and IVOA_17May_PTTT.pdf
Mon 22 Apr 2024 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire June 2024) - IVOA_26Apr_PTTT.pdf
Mon 25 Mar 2024 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire May 2024) - IVOA_26Mar_PTTT.pdf
26 Feb 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire April 2024) - IVOA_26Feb_PTTT.pdf
22 Jan 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes - IVOA_22Jan_PTTT.pdf
Nov 2023 - Tucson Interop - Modernization_of_protocols.pdf (From DAL session YOPAD)

High-Level Roadmap

Setup a wiki & mail list
Meet over 4 months ... Jan - April (once a month)
Plan to meet in Sydney 2 days (Thu/Fri, May 16/17) prior to IVOA that starts on Sunday (discussed with Simon/he can do it)
May Interop : May 20-24; TCG mtg: May 19
Followup with 3 phase plan ... Phase 1 due @ Fall Interop

OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)

https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-openapi - UWS OpenAPI spec (WIP)
https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-models - Pydantic python models
https://github.com/pahjbo/DataModelPlayground/tree/interface_models - defining the data models in VO-DML with automatic java and python code generation.

Related GitHub issues (add yours)

References

OpenAPIs - https://www.openapis.org
Frossie's talk at Bologna in GWS2 - https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpMay2023GWS
Joshua's talk in Bologna in DAL: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2023DAL/mast-tapservice-fraustro.pdf
Simbad ConeSearch service I presented in Bologna: https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/cone/help/
Notes of the DAL sessions with volunteer list for the Tiger Team at the end of the doc: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpNov2023DAL/DAL_1.pdf

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Revision 392024-08-28 - JanetEvans

META TOPICPARENT	name="IvoaTCG"

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

The Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team was formed in Tucson at the Interop meeting in Nov 2023. The aim is to address the question of compatibility of the DAL protocols (and by implication protocols such as UWS) with modern web development tools. A number of people volunteered to form a tiger team to work on this.

The recommendations being examined would mostly be in DAL and GWS (e.g., TAP, SIA2, SODA, UWS) so will need to be a cross WG effort. A question to answer is : How do we adapt the protocol interactions to be compatible with tools such as OpenAPI.

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

Membership - email alias "P3T"

James Dempsey - james.dempsey@csiro.au - Lead (DAL Ch) - P3T Lead
Dave Morris - dave@metagrid.co.uk
Kim Gillies - kgillies@tmt.org (If we are volunteering to help with creating service APIs in OPENAPI, I would participate)
Gregory Dubois Felsmann - gpdf@ipac.caltech.edu
Grégory Mantelet - gregory.mantelet@astro.unistra.fr (DAL V Ch)
Janet Evans - janet@cfa.harvard.edu
Jesus Salgado - jesus.salgado@skao.int (GWS Ch)
Jose Osinde Lopez - Jose.Osinde@ext.esa.int
Joshua Fraustro - jfraustro@stsci.edu (sharing pydantic/pydantic-xml models)
Marco Molinaro - marco.molinaro@inaf.it
Rick Ebert - rick.ebert@caltech.edu (NED) anything that helps to standardize datamodel/semantics
Paul Harrison - paul.harrison@manchester.ac.uk
Sara Bertocco - sara.bertocco@inaf.it (GWS V Ch)
Theresa Dower - dower@stsci.edu (work on open sourcing the pydantic model code in recent MAST TAP services.)
Tom Donaldson - tdonaldson@stsci.edu
Adrian Damian - adrian.damian@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Brian Major - brian.major@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Russ Allbery - eagle@eyrie.org
Pat Dowler - pdowler.cadc@gmail.com

Meetings (reverse order)

Added:

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>

Mon, Sep 23 2024 @20 UTC - Next Meeting; Draft agenda: Status, Docs, Plan engaging with existing clients, Start of Interop planning

Mon 26 Aug 2024 @20 UTC - 26_Aug_Mtg_Notes
Mon 15 Jul 2024 @20 UTC - 15_Jul_Mtg_Notes
Wed 22 May 2024 at 1:30 Sydney - P3T_Forward_Planning_mtg_May22.pdf
Wed 22 May 2024 at 9am Sydney - P3T Plenary session
Thu/Fri May 16/17 Sydney 10am Local time;
- Agenda - PTTT_May1617_Schedule.pdf
- Notes - Yopad shared notes May 16, Yopad shared notes May 17 (will expired July 2024) - IVOA_16May_PTTT.pdf and IVOA_17May_PTTT.pdf
Mon 22 Apr 2024 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire June 2024) - IVOA_26Apr_PTTT.pdf
Mon 25 Mar 2024 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire May 2024) - IVOA_26Mar_PTTT.pdf
26 Feb 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire April 2024) - IVOA_26Feb_PTTT.pdf
22 Jan 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes - IVOA_22Jan_PTTT.pdf
Nov 2023 - Tucson Interop - Modernization_of_protocols.pdf (From DAL session YOPAD)

High-Level Roadmap

Setup a wiki & mail list
Meet over 4 months ... Jan - April (once a month)
Plan to meet in Sydney 2 days (Thu/Fri, May 16/17) prior to IVOA that starts on Sunday (discussed with Simon/he can do it)
May Interop : May 20-24; TCG mtg: May 19
Followup with 3 phase plan ... Phase 1 due @ Fall Interop

OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)

https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-openapi - UWS OpenAPI spec (WIP)
https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-models - Pydantic python models
https://github.com/pahjbo/DataModelPlayground/tree/interface_models - defining the data models in VO-DML with automatic java and python code generation.

Related GitHub issues (add yours)

References

OpenAPIs - https://www.openapis.org
Frossie's talk at Bologna in GWS2 - https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpMay2023GWS
Joshua's talk in Bologna in DAL: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2023DAL/mast-tapservice-fraustro.pdf
Simbad ConeSearch service I presented in Bologna: https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/cone/help/
Notes of the DAL sessions with volunteer list for the Tiger Team at the end of the doc: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpNov2023DAL/DAL_1.pdf

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Revision 382024-08-26 - JanetEvans

META TOPICPARENT	name="IvoaTCG"

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

The Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team was formed in Tucson at the Interop meeting in Nov 2023. The aim is to address the question of compatibility of the DAL protocols (and by implication protocols such as UWS) with modern web development tools. A number of people volunteered to form a tiger team to work on this.

The recommendations being examined would mostly be in DAL and GWS (e.g., TAP, SIA2, SODA, UWS) so will need to be a cross WG effort. A question to answer is : How do we adapt the protocol interactions to be compatible with tools such as OpenAPI.

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

Membership - email alias "P3T"

James Dempsey - james.dempsey@csiro.au - Lead (DAL Ch) - P3T Lead
Dave Morris - dave@metagrid.co.uk
Kim Gillies - kgillies@tmt.org (If we are volunteering to help with creating service APIs in OPENAPI, I would participate)
Gregory Dubois Felsmann - gpdf@ipac.caltech.edu
Grégory Mantelet - gregory.mantelet@astro.unistra.fr (DAL V Ch)
Janet Evans - janet@cfa.harvard.edu
Jesus Salgado - jesus.salgado@skao.int (GWS Ch)

Changed:

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Jose Osinde Lopez - Jose.Osinde@ext.esa.int

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Jose Osinde Lopez - Jose.Osinde@ext.esa.int

Joshua Fraustro - jfraustro@stsci.edu (sharing pydantic/pydantic-xml models)
Marco Molinaro - marco.molinaro@inaf.it
Rick Ebert - rick.ebert@caltech.edu (NED) anything that helps to standardize datamodel/semantics
Paul Harrison - paul.harrison@manchester.ac.uk
Sara Bertocco - sara.bertocco@inaf.it (GWS V Ch)
Theresa Dower - dower@stsci.edu (work on open sourcing the pydantic model code in recent MAST TAP services.)
Tom Donaldson - tdonaldson@stsci.edu
Adrian Damian - adrian.damian@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Brian Major - brian.major@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Russ Allbery - eagle@eyrie.org
Pat Dowler - pdowler.cadc@gmail.com

Meetings (reverse order)

Added:

>
>

Mon 26 Aug 2024 @20 UTC - 26_Aug_Mtg_Notes

Mon 15 Jul 2024 @20 UTC - 15_Jul_Mtg_Notes
Wed 22 May 2024 at 1:30 Sydney - P3T_Forward_Planning_mtg_May22.pdf
Wed 22 May 2024 at 9am Sydney - P3T Plenary session
Thu/Fri May 16/17 Sydney 10am Local time;
- Agenda - PTTT_May1617_Schedule.pdf
- Notes - Yopad shared notes May 16, Yopad shared notes May 17 (will expired July 2024) - IVOA_16May_PTTT.pdf and IVOA_17May_PTTT.pdf
Mon 22 Apr 2024 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire June 2024) - IVOA_26Apr_PTTT.pdf
Mon 25 Mar 2024 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire May 2024) - IVOA_26Mar_PTTT.pdf
26 Feb 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire April 2024) - IVOA_26Feb_PTTT.pdf
22 Jan 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes - IVOA_22Jan_PTTT.pdf
Nov 2023 - Tucson Interop - Modernization_of_protocols.pdf (From DAL session YOPAD)

High-Level Roadmap

Setup a wiki & mail list
Meet over 4 months ... Jan - April (once a month)
Plan to meet in Sydney 2 days (Thu/Fri, May 16/17) prior to IVOA that starts on Sunday (discussed with Simon/he can do it)
May Interop : May 20-24; TCG mtg: May 19
Followup with 3 phase plan ... Phase 1 due @ Fall Interop

OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)

https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-openapi - UWS OpenAPI spec (WIP)
https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-models - Pydantic python models
https://github.com/pahjbo/DataModelPlayground/tree/interface_models - defining the data models in VO-DML with automatic java and python code generation.

Related GitHub issues (add yours)

References

OpenAPIs - https://www.openapis.org
Frossie's talk at Bologna in GWS2 - https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpMay2023GWS
Joshua's talk in Bologna in DAL: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2023DAL/mast-tapservice-fraustro.pdf
Simbad ConeSearch service I presented in Bologna: https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/cone/help/
Notes of the DAL sessions with volunteer list for the Tiger Team at the end of the doc: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpNov2023DAL/DAL_1.pdf

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Revision 372024-07-17 - JanetEvans

META TOPICPARENT	name="IvoaTCG"

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

The Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team was formed in Tucson at the Interop meeting in Nov 2023. The aim is to address the question of compatibility of the DAL protocols (and by implication protocols such as UWS) with modern web development tools. A number of people volunteered to form a tiger team to work on this.

The recommendations being examined would mostly be in DAL and GWS (e.g., TAP, SIA2, SODA, UWS) so will need to be a cross WG effort. A question to answer is : How do we adapt the protocol interactions to be compatible with tools such as OpenAPI.

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

Membership - email alias "P3T"

James Dempsey - james.dempsey@csiro.au - Lead (DAL Ch) - P3T Lead
Dave Morris - dave@metagrid.co.uk
Kim Gillies - kgillies@tmt.org (If we are volunteering to help with creating service APIs in OPENAPI, I would participate)
Gregory Dubois Felsmann - gpdf@ipac.caltech.edu
Grégory Mantelet - gregory.mantelet@astro.unistra.fr (DAL V Ch)
Janet Evans - janet@cfa.harvard.edu
Jesus Salgado - jesus.salgado@skao.int (GWS Ch)

Added:

>
>

Jose Osinde Lopez - Jose.Osinde@ext.esa.int

Joshua Fraustro - jfraustro@stsci.edu (sharing pydantic/pydantic-xml models)
Marco Molinaro - marco.molinaro@inaf.it
Rick Ebert - rick.ebert@caltech.edu (NED) anything that helps to standardize datamodel/semantics
Paul Harrison - paul.harrison@manchester.ac.uk
Sara Bertocco - sara.bertocco@inaf.it (GWS V Ch)
Theresa Dower - dower@stsci.edu (work on open sourcing the pydantic model code in recent MAST TAP services.)
Tom Donaldson - tdonaldson@stsci.edu
Adrian Damian - adrian.damian@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Brian Major - brian.major@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Russ Allbery - eagle@eyrie.org
Pat Dowler - pdowler.cadc@gmail.com

Meetings (reverse order)

Mon 15 Jul 2024 @20 UTC - 15_Jul_Mtg_Notes
Wed 22 May 2024 at 1:30 Sydney - P3T_Forward_Planning_mtg_May22.pdf
Wed 22 May 2024 at 9am Sydney - P3T Plenary session
Thu/Fri May 16/17 Sydney 10am Local time;
- Agenda - PTTT_May1617_Schedule.pdf
- Notes - Yopad shared notes May 16, Yopad shared notes May 17 (will expired July 2024) - IVOA_16May_PTTT.pdf and IVOA_17May_PTTT.pdf
Mon 22 Apr 2024 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire June 2024) - IVOA_26Apr_PTTT.pdf
Mon 25 Mar 2024 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire May 2024) - IVOA_26Mar_PTTT.pdf
26 Feb 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire April 2024) - IVOA_26Feb_PTTT.pdf
22 Jan 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes - IVOA_22Jan_PTTT.pdf
Nov 2023 - Tucson Interop - Modernization_of_protocols.pdf (From DAL session YOPAD)

High-Level Roadmap

Setup a wiki & mail list
Meet over 4 months ... Jan - April (once a month)
Plan to meet in Sydney 2 days (Thu/Fri, May 16/17) prior to IVOA that starts on Sunday (discussed with Simon/he can do it)
May Interop : May 20-24; TCG mtg: May 19
Followup with 3 phase plan ... Phase 1 due @ Fall Interop

OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)

https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-openapi - UWS OpenAPI spec (WIP)
https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-models - Pydantic python models
https://github.com/pahjbo/DataModelPlayground/tree/interface_models - defining the data models in VO-DML with automatic java and python code generation.

Related GitHub issues (add yours)

References

OpenAPIs - https://www.openapis.org
Frossie's talk at Bologna in GWS2 - https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpMay2023GWS
Joshua's talk in Bologna in DAL: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2023DAL/mast-tapservice-fraustro.pdf
Simbad ConeSearch service I presented in Bologna: https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/cone/help/
Notes of the DAL sessions with volunteer list for the Tiger Team at the end of the doc: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpNov2023DAL/DAL_1.pdf

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Revision 362024-07-17 - JanetEvans

META TOPICPARENT	name="IvoaTCG"

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

The Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team was formed in Tucson at the Interop meeting in Nov 2023. The aim is to address the question of compatibility of the DAL protocols (and by implication protocols such as UWS) with modern web development tools. A number of people volunteered to form a tiger team to work on this.

The recommendations being examined would mostly be in DAL and GWS (e.g., TAP, SIA2, SODA, UWS) so will need to be a cross WG effort. A question to answer is : How do we adapt the protocol interactions to be compatible with tools such as OpenAPI.

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

Membership - email alias "P3T"

James Dempsey - james.dempsey@csiro.au - Lead (DAL Ch) - P3T Lead
Dave Morris - dave@metagrid.co.uk
Kim Gillies - kgillies@tmt.org (If we are volunteering to help with creating service APIs in OPENAPI, I would participate)
Gregory Dubois Felsmann - gpdf@ipac.caltech.edu
Grégory Mantelet - gregory.mantelet@astro.unistra.fr (DAL V Ch)
Janet Evans - janet@cfa.harvard.edu
Jesus Salgado - jesus.salgado@skao.int (GWS Ch)
Joshua Fraustro - jfraustro@stsci.edu (sharing pydantic/pydantic-xml models)
Marco Molinaro - marco.molinaro@inaf.it
Rick Ebert - rick.ebert@caltech.edu (NED) anything that helps to standardize datamodel/semantics
Paul Harrison - paul.harrison@manchester.ac.uk
Sara Bertocco - sara.bertocco@inaf.it (GWS V Ch)
Theresa Dower - dower@stsci.edu (work on open sourcing the pydantic model code in recent MAST TAP services.)
Tom Donaldson - tdonaldson@stsci.edu
Adrian Damian - adrian.damian@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Brian Major - brian.major@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Russ Allbery - eagle@eyrie.org
Pat Dowler - pdowler.cadc@gmail.com

Meetings (reverse order)

Changed:

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Mon 15 Jul 2024 @20 UTC

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Mon 15 Jul 2024 @20 UTC - 15_Jul_Mtg_Notes

Deleted:

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- Proof of concept project status (TAP 1.2 0 CADC/MAST, UWS (Rubin/MAST), Execution Planner (SKA/SRC))
- IVOA note planning
- Concerns of projects (emails)
- Github repo (ivoa/PTTT)

Wed 22 May 2024 at 1:30 Sydney - P3T_Forward_Planning_mtg_May22.pdf
Wed 22 May 2024 at 9am Sydney - P3T Plenary session
Thu/Fri May 16/17 Sydney 10am Local time;
- Agenda - PTTT_May1617_Schedule.pdf
- Notes - Yopad shared notes May 16, Yopad shared notes May 17 (will expired July 2024) - IVOA_16May_PTTT.pdf and IVOA_17May_PTTT.pdf
Mon 22 Apr 2024 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire June 2024) - IVOA_26Apr_PTTT.pdf
Mon 25 Mar 2024 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire May 2024) - IVOA_26Mar_PTTT.pdf
26 Feb 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire April 2024) - IVOA_26Feb_PTTT.pdf
22 Jan 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes - IVOA_22Jan_PTTT.pdf
Nov 2023 - Tucson Interop - Modernization_of_protocols.pdf (From DAL session YOPAD)

High-Level Roadmap

Setup a wiki & mail list
Meet over 4 months ... Jan - April (once a month)
Plan to meet in Sydney 2 days (Thu/Fri, May 16/17) prior to IVOA that starts on Sunday (discussed with Simon/he can do it)
May Interop : May 20-24; TCG mtg: May 19
Followup with 3 phase plan ... Phase 1 due @ Fall Interop

OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)

https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-openapi - UWS OpenAPI spec (WIP)
https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-models - Pydantic python models
https://github.com/pahjbo/DataModelPlayground/tree/interface_models - defining the data models in VO-DML with automatic java and python code generation.

Related GitHub issues (add yours)

References

OpenAPIs - https://www.openapis.org
Frossie's talk at Bologna in GWS2 - https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpMay2023GWS
Joshua's talk in Bologna in DAL: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2023DAL/mast-tapservice-fraustro.pdf
Simbad ConeSearch service I presented in Bologna: https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/cone/help/
Notes of the DAL sessions with volunteer list for the Tiger Team at the end of the doc: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpNov2023DAL/DAL_1.pdf

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Revision 352024-07-15 - JanetEvans

META TOPICPARENT	name="IvoaTCG"

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

The Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team was formed in Tucson at the Interop meeting in Nov 2023. The aim is to address the question of compatibility of the DAL protocols (and by implication protocols such as UWS) with modern web development tools. A number of people volunteered to form a tiger team to work on this.

The recommendations being examined would mostly be in DAL and GWS (e.g., TAP, SIA2, SODA, UWS) so will need to be a cross WG effort. A question to answer is : How do we adapt the protocol interactions to be compatible with tools such as OpenAPI.

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

Membership - email alias "P3T"

James Dempsey - james.dempsey@csiro.au - Lead (DAL Ch) - P3T Lead
Dave Morris - dave@metagrid.co.uk
Kim Gillies - kgillies@tmt.org (If we are volunteering to help with creating service APIs in OPENAPI, I would participate)
Gregory Dubois Felsmann - gpdf@ipac.caltech.edu
Grégory Mantelet - gregory.mantelet@astro.unistra.fr (DAL V Ch)
Janet Evans - janet@cfa.harvard.edu
Jesus Salgado - jesus.salgado@skao.int (GWS Ch)
Joshua Fraustro - jfraustro@stsci.edu (sharing pydantic/pydantic-xml models)
Marco Molinaro - marco.molinaro@inaf.it
Rick Ebert - rick.ebert@caltech.edu (NED) anything that helps to standardize datamodel/semantics
Paul Harrison - paul.harrison@manchester.ac.uk
Sara Bertocco - sara.bertocco@inaf.it (GWS V Ch)
Theresa Dower - dower@stsci.edu (work on open sourcing the pydantic model code in recent MAST TAP services.)
Tom Donaldson - tdonaldson@stsci.edu
Adrian Damian - adrian.damian@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Brian Major - brian.major@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Russ Allbery - eagle@eyrie.org
Pat Dowler - pdowler.cadc@gmail.com

Meetings (reverse order)

Changed:

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Mon 15 Jul 2024 @20 UTC - Status of Note; Status of Work

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Mon 15 Jul 2024 @20 UTC

Added:

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- Proof of concept project status (TAP 1.2 0 CADC/MAST, UWS (Rubin/MAST), Execution Planner (SKA/SRC))
- IVOA note planning
- Concerns of projects (emails)
- Github repo (ivoa/PTTT)

Wed 22 May 2024 at 1:30 Sydney - P3T_Forward_Planning_mtg_May22.pdf
Wed 22 May 2024 at 9am Sydney - P3T Plenary session
Thu/Fri May 16/17 Sydney 10am Local time;
- Agenda - PTTT_May1617_Schedule.pdf
- Notes - Yopad shared notes May 16, Yopad shared notes May 17 (will expired July 2024) - IVOA_16May_PTTT.pdf and IVOA_17May_PTTT.pdf
Mon 22 Apr 2024 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire June 2024) - IVOA_26Apr_PTTT.pdf
Mon 25 Mar 2024 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire May 2024) - IVOA_26Mar_PTTT.pdf
26 Feb 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire April 2024) - IVOA_26Feb_PTTT.pdf
22 Jan 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes - IVOA_22Jan_PTTT.pdf
Nov 2023 - Tucson Interop - Modernization_of_protocols.pdf (From DAL session YOPAD)

High-Level Roadmap

Setup a wiki & mail list
Meet over 4 months ... Jan - April (once a month)
Plan to meet in Sydney 2 days (Thu/Fri, May 16/17) prior to IVOA that starts on Sunday (discussed with Simon/he can do it)
May Interop : May 20-24; TCG mtg: May 19
Followup with 3 phase plan ... Phase 1 due @ Fall Interop

OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)

https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-openapi - UWS OpenAPI spec (WIP)
https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-models - Pydantic python models
https://github.com/pahjbo/DataModelPlayground/tree/interface_models - defining the data models in VO-DML with automatic java and python code generation.

Related GitHub issues (add yours)

References

OpenAPIs - https://www.openapis.org
Frossie's talk at Bologna in GWS2 - https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpMay2023GWS
Joshua's talk in Bologna in DAL: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2023DAL/mast-tapservice-fraustro.pdf
Simbad ConeSearch service I presented in Bologna: https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/cone/help/
Notes of the DAL sessions with volunteer list for the Tiger Team at the end of the doc: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpNov2023DAL/DAL_1.pdf

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Revision 342024-07-15 - JanetEvans

META TOPICPARENT	name="IvoaTCG"

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

The Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team was formed in Tucson at the Interop meeting in Nov 2023. The aim is to address the question of compatibility of the DAL protocols (and by implication protocols such as UWS) with modern web development tools. A number of people volunteered to form a tiger team to work on this.

The recommendations being examined would mostly be in DAL and GWS (e.g., TAP, SIA2, SODA, UWS) so will need to be a cross WG effort. A question to answer is : How do we adapt the protocol interactions to be compatible with tools such as OpenAPI.

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

Membership - email alias "P3T"

James Dempsey - james.dempsey@csiro.au - Lead (DAL Ch) - P3T Lead
Dave Morris - dave@metagrid.co.uk
Kim Gillies - kgillies@tmt.org (If we are volunteering to help with creating service APIs in OPENAPI, I would participate)
Gregory Dubois Felsmann - gpdf@ipac.caltech.edu
Grégory Mantelet - gregory.mantelet@astro.unistra.fr (DAL V Ch)
Janet Evans - janet@cfa.harvard.edu
Jesus Salgado - jesus.salgado@skao.int (GWS Ch)
Joshua Fraustro - jfraustro@stsci.edu (sharing pydantic/pydantic-xml models)
Marco Molinaro - marco.molinaro@inaf.it
Rick Ebert - rick.ebert@caltech.edu (NED) anything that helps to standardize datamodel/semantics
Paul Harrison - paul.harrison@manchester.ac.uk
Sara Bertocco - sara.bertocco@inaf.it (GWS V Ch)
Theresa Dower - dower@stsci.edu (work on open sourcing the pydantic model code in recent MAST TAP services.)
Tom Donaldson - tdonaldson@stsci.edu
Adrian Damian - adrian.damian@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Brian Major - brian.major@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Russ Allbery - eagle@eyrie.org
Pat Dowler - pdowler.cadc@gmail.com

Meetings (reverse order)

Added:

>
>

Mon 15 Jul 2024 @20 UTC - Status of Note; Status of Work

Wed 22 May 2024 at 1:30 Sydney - P3T_Forward_Planning_mtg_May22.pdf
Wed 22 May 2024 at 9am Sydney - P3T Plenary session
Thu/Fri May 16/17 Sydney 10am Local time;
- Agenda - PTTT_May1617_Schedule.pdf
- Notes - Yopad shared notes May 16, Yopad shared notes May 17 (will expired July 2024) - IVOA_16May_PTTT.pdf and IVOA_17May_PTTT.pdf
Mon 22 Apr 2024 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire June 2024) - IVOA_26Apr_PTTT.pdf
Mon 25 Mar 2024 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire May 2024) - IVOA_26Mar_PTTT.pdf
26 Feb 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire April 2024) - IVOA_26Feb_PTTT.pdf
22 Jan 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes - IVOA_22Jan_PTTT.pdf
Nov 2023 - Tucson Interop - Modernization_of_protocols.pdf (From DAL session YOPAD)

High-Level Roadmap

Setup a wiki & mail list
Meet over 4 months ... Jan - April (once a month)
Plan to meet in Sydney 2 days (Thu/Fri, May 16/17) prior to IVOA that starts on Sunday (discussed with Simon/he can do it)
May Interop : May 20-24; TCG mtg: May 19
Followup with 3 phase plan ... Phase 1 due @ Fall Interop

OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)

https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-openapi - UWS OpenAPI spec (WIP)
https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-models - Pydantic python models
https://github.com/pahjbo/DataModelPlayground/tree/interface_models - defining the data models in VO-DML with automatic java and python code generation.

Related GitHub issues (add yours)

References

OpenAPIs - https://www.openapis.org
Frossie's talk at Bologna in GWS2 - https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpMay2023GWS
Joshua's talk in Bologna in DAL: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2023DAL/mast-tapservice-fraustro.pdf
Simbad ConeSearch service I presented in Bologna: https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/cone/help/
Notes of the DAL sessions with volunteer list for the Tiger Team at the end of the doc: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpNov2023DAL/DAL_1.pdf

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The Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team was formed in Tucson at the Interop meeting in Nov 2023. The aim is to address the question of compatibility of the DAL protocols (and by implication protocols such as UWS) with modern web development tools. A number of people volunteered to form a tiger team to work on this.

The recommendations being examined would mostly be in DAL and GWS (e.g., TAP, SIA2, SODA, UWS) so will need to be a cross WG effort. A question to answer is : How do we adapt the protocol interactions to be compatible with tools such as OpenAPI.

 
  Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T) 
  Membership - email alias "P3T"
   Meetings (reverse order)
   High-Level Roadmap
   OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)
   Related GitHub issues (add yours)
   References
 
 

 Membership - email alias "P3T" 
 
 James Dempsey - james.dempsey@csiro.au - Lead (DAL Ch) - P3T Lead
  Dave Morris - dave@metagrid.co.uk
  Kim Gillies - kgillies@tmt.org (If we are volunteering to help with creating service APIs in OPENAPI, I would participate)
  Gregory Dubois Felsmann - gpdf@ipac.caltech.edu
  Grégory Mantelet - gregory.mantelet@astro.unistra.fr (DAL V Ch)
  Janet Evans - janet@cfa.harvard.edu
  Jesus Salgado - jesus.salgado@skao.int (GWS Ch)
  Joshua Fraustro - jfraustro@stsci.edu (sharing pydantic/pydantic-xml models)
  Marco Molinaro - marco.molinaro@inaf.it
  Rick Ebert - rick.ebert@caltech.edu (NED) anything that helps to standardize datamodel/semantics
  Paul Harrison - paul.harrison@manchester.ac.uk
  Sara Bertocco - sara.bertocco@inaf.it (GWS V Ch)
  Theresa Dower - dower@stsci.edu (work on open sourcing the pydantic model code in recent MAST TAP services.)
  Tom Donaldson - tdonaldson@stsci.edu
  Adrian Damian - adrian.damian@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
  Brian Major - brian.major@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
  Russ Allbery - eagle@eyrie.org
  Pat Dowler - pdowler.cadc@gmail.com
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+ Meetings (reverse order)
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+ Wed 22 May 2024 at 1:30 Sydney - P3T_Forward_Planning_mtg_May22.pdf
  Wed 22 May 2024 at 9am Sydney - P3T Plenary session
  Thu/Fri May 16/17 Sydney 10am Local time; 
 Agenda - PTTT_May1617_Schedule.pdf
  Notes - Yopad shared notes May 16, Yopad shared notes May 17 (will expired July 2024) - IVOA_16May_PTTT.pdf and IVOA_17May_PTTT.pdf
 
  Mon 22 Apr 2024 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire June 2024) - IVOA_26Apr_PTTT.pdf
  Mon 25 Mar 2024 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire May 2024) - IVOA_26Mar_PTTT.pdf
  26 Feb 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire April 2024) - IVOA_26Feb_PTTT.pdf
  22 Jan 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes - IVOA_22Jan_PTTT.pdf
  Nov 2023 - Tucson Interop - Modernization_of_protocols.pdf (From DAL session YOPAD)
 
 High-Level Roadmap
  Setup a wiki & mail list
  Meet over 4 months ... Jan - April (once a month)
  Plan to meet in Sydney 2 days (Thu/Fri, May 16/17) prior to IVOA that starts on Sunday (discussed with Simon/he can do it)
  May Interop : May 20-24; TCG mtg: May 19
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+ Standards Involved (1st up!)
->
>
+ Followup with 3 phase plan ... Phase 1 due @ Fall Interop
-<
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+ CS
  UWS
  TAP
  VOSpace
  OpenAPI Project Links (add yours) 
 
 https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-openapi - UWS OpenAPI spec (WIP)
  https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-models - Pydantic python models
  https://github.com/pahjbo/DataModelPlayground/tree/interface_models - defining the data models in VO-DML with automatic java and python code generation.
 
 Related GitHub issues (add yours) 
 
 new xtype="json"
  Include YAML as well as JSON
  Update VOTable to preserve spaces
  Update VOTable to handle UTF-8
-<
<
->
>
+ References
-<
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+ Meetings 
 
 22 Jan 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes - IVOA_22Jan_PTTT.pdf
  26 Feb 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire April 2024) - IVOA_26Feb_PTTT.pdf
  Mon 25 Mar 2024 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire May 2024) - IVOA_26Mar_PTTT.pdf
  Mon 22 Apr 2024 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire June 2024) - IVOA_26Apr_PTTT.pdf
  Thu/Fri May 16/17 Sydney 10am Local time; 
 Agenda - PTTT_May1617_Schedule.pdf
  Notes - Yopad shared notes May 16, Yopad shared notes May 17 (will expired July 2024) - IVOA_16May_PTTT.pdf and IVOA_17May_PTTT.pdf
 
  Wed 22 May 2024 at 9am Sydney - P3T Plenary session
 
 References
  OpenAPIs - https://www.openapis.org
  Frossie's talk at Bologna in GWS2 - https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpMay2023GWS
  Joshua's talk in Bologna in DAL: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2023DAL/mast-tapservice-fraustro.pdf
  Simbad ConeSearch service I presented in Bologna: https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/cone/help/
  Notes of the DAL sessions with volunteer list for the Tiger Team at the end of the doc: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpNov2023DAL/DAL_1.pdf
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->
>
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+ Modernisation of protocols - improve compatability with modern web dev tools GDF: Still very interested in modern definition of protocols/APIs (e..g JSON/ OpenAPI) to assist service implementors to use modern tools. High priority for Rubin
 FB: How would that look like
 GDF: Way more services than clients - clients have resources to stay up to date - would need to update clients to support new services while supporting old services. New services would be json based
 GDF: Suggest a tiger team as no one service can do this alone
 GM: Have used microsservices with json to send votable in the new SIMBAD's ConeSearch service
 GDF: About service interaction not votable format change - so how UWS works. Really hard to implement UWS in contemporary
 JD: Is OpenAPI a useful step?
 Tim: Is there support for json? Yes, then presumably some would be intersted in volunteering.
 RE: NED already has json behind the scenes and easier to convert json
 DM: Suggest updating standards as defining the data model and then have an examples of the json implementation as well as XML. Don't want to be talking in 10 years about how to convert away from json!
 Joshua Fraustro: MAST has a model of the UWS interactions - need management approval to make them open source and share.
 Tim: Use Pydantic and FastAPI too - very happy with them
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Revision 322024-05-22 - JamesDempsey

META TOPICPARENT	name="IvoaTCG"

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

The Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team was formed in Tucson at the Interop meeting in Nov 2023. The aim is to address the question of compatibility of the DAL protocols (and by implication protocols such as UWS) with modern web development tools. A number of people volunteered to form a tiger team to work on this.

The recommendations being examined would mostly be in DAL and GWS (e.g., TAP, SIA2, SODA, UWS) so will need to be a cross WG effort. A question to answer is : How do we adapt the protocol interactions to be compatible with tools such as OpenAPI.

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

Membership - email alias "P3T"

James Dempsey - james.dempsey@csiro.au - Lead (DAL Ch) - P3T Lead
Dave Morris - dave@metagrid.co.uk
Kim Gillies - kgillies@tmt.org (If we are volunteering to help with creating service APIs in OPENAPI, I would participate)
Gregory Dubois Felsmann - gpdf@ipac.caltech.edu
Grégory Mantelet - gregory.mantelet@astro.unistra.fr (DAL V Ch)
Janet Evans - janet@cfa.harvard.edu
Jesus Salgado - jesus.salgado@skao.int (GWS Ch)
Joshua Fraustro - jfraustro@stsci.edu (sharing pydantic/pydantic-xml models)
Marco Molinaro - marco.molinaro@inaf.it
Rick Ebert - rick.ebert@caltech.edu (NED) anything that helps to standardize datamodel/semantics
Paul Harrison - paul.harrison@manchester.ac.uk
Sara Bertocco - sara.bertocco@inaf.it (GWS V Ch)
Theresa Dower - dower@stsci.edu (work on open sourcing the pydantic model code in recent MAST TAP services.)
Tom Donaldson - tdonaldson@stsci.edu
Adrian Damian - adrian.damian@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Brian Major - brian.major@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Russ Allbery - eagle@eyrie.org
Pat Dowler - pdowler.cadc@gmail.com

Deleted:

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Brian Major - major.brian@gmail.com

Initial Plan forward

Setup a wiki & mail list
Meet over 4 months ... Jan - April (once a month)
Plan to meet in Sydney 2 days (Thu/Fri, May 16/17) prior to IVOA that starts on Sunday (discussed with Simon/he can do it)
May Interop : May 20-24; TCG mtg: May 19

Standards Involved (1st up!)

CS
UWS
TAP
VOSpace

OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)

https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-openapi - UWS OpenAPI spec (WIP)
https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-models - Pydantic python models
https://github.com/pahjbo/DataModelPlayground/tree/interface_models - defining the data models in VO-DML with automatic java and python code generation.

Related GitHub issues (add yours)

Meetings

22 Jan 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes - IVOA_22Jan_PTTT.pdf
26 Feb 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire April 2024) - IVOA_26Feb_PTTT.pdf
Mon 25 Mar 2024 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire May 2024) - IVOA_26Mar_PTTT.pdf
Mon 22 Apr 2024 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire June 2024) - IVOA_26Apr_PTTT.pdf
Thu/Fri May 16/17 Sydney 10am Local time;
1. Agenda - PTTT_May1617_Schedule.pdf
2. Notes - Yopad shared notes May 16, Yopad shared notes May 17 (will expired July 2024) - IVOA_16May_PTTT.pdf and IVOA_17May_PTTT.pdf

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Wed 22 May 2024 at 9am Sydney - P3T Plenary session

References

OpenAPIs - https://www.openapis.org
Frossie's talk at Bologna in GWS2 - https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpMay2023GWS
Joshua's talk in Bologna in DAL: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2023DAL/mast-tapservice-fraustro.pdf
Simbad ConeSearch service I presented in Bologna: https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/cone/help/
Notes of the DAL sessions with volunteer list for the Tiger Team at the end of the doc: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpNov2023DAL/DAL_1.pdf

From Tucson DAL session YoPAD

Modernisation of protocols - improve compatability with modern web dev tools
GDF: Still very interested in modern definition of protocols/APIs (e..g JSON/ OpenAPI) to assist service implementors to use modern tools. High priority for Rubin

FB: How would that look like

GDF: Way more services than clients - clients have resources to stay up to date - would need to update clients to support new services while supporting old services. New services would be json based

GDF: Suggest a tiger team as no one service can do this alone

GM: Have used microsservices with json to send votable in the new SIMBAD's ConeSearch service

GDF: About service interaction not votable format change - so how UWS works. Really hard to implement UWS in contemporary

JD: Is OpenAPI a useful step?

Tim: Is there support for json? Yes, then presumably some would be intersted in volunteering.

RE: NED already has json behind the scenes and easier to convert json

DM: Suggest updating standards as defining the data model and then have an examples of the json implementation as well as XML. Don't want to be talking in 10 years about how to convert away from json!

Joshua Fraustro: MAST has a model of the UWS interactions - need management approval to make them open source and share.

Tim: Use Pydantic and FastAPI too - very happy with them

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Revision 312024-05-22 - TimJenness

META TOPICPARENT	name="IvoaTCG"

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

The Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team was formed in Tucson at the Interop meeting in Nov 2023. The aim is to address the question of compatibility of the DAL protocols (and by implication protocols such as UWS) with modern web development tools. A number of people volunteered to form a tiger team to work on this.

The recommendations being examined would mostly be in DAL and GWS (e.g., TAP, SIA2, SODA, UWS) so will need to be a cross WG effort. A question to answer is : How do we adapt the protocol interactions to be compatible with tools such as OpenAPI.

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

Membership - email alias "P3T"

James Dempsey - james.dempsey@csiro.au - Lead (DAL Ch) - P3T Lead
Dave Morris - dave@metagrid.co.uk
Kim Gillies - kgillies@tmt.org (If we are volunteering to help with creating service APIs in OPENAPI, I would participate)
Gregory Dubois Felsmann - gpdf@ipac.caltech.edu
Grégory Mantelet - gregory.mantelet@astro.unistra.fr (DAL V Ch)
Janet Evans - janet@cfa.harvard.edu
Jesus Salgado - jesus.salgado@skao.int (GWS Ch)
Joshua Fraustro - jfraustro@stsci.edu (sharing pydantic/pydantic-xml models)
Marco Molinaro - marco.molinaro@inaf.it
Rick Ebert - rick.ebert@caltech.edu (NED) anything that helps to standardize datamodel/semantics
Paul Harrison - paul.harrison@manchester.ac.uk
Sara Bertocco - sara.bertocco@inaf.it (GWS V Ch)
Theresa Dower - dower@stsci.edu (work on open sourcing the pydantic model code in recent MAST TAP services.)
Tom Donaldson - tdonaldson@stsci.edu
Adrian Damian - adrian.damian@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Brian Major - brian.major@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca

Changed:

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Russ Alberry - eagle@eyrie.org

>
>

Russ Allbery - eagle@eyrie.org

Pat Dowler - pdowler.cadc@gmail.com
Brian Major - major.brian@gmail.com

Initial Plan forward

Setup a wiki & mail list
Meet over 4 months ... Jan - April (once a month)
Plan to meet in Sydney 2 days (Thu/Fri, May 16/17) prior to IVOA that starts on Sunday (discussed with Simon/he can do it)
May Interop : May 20-24; TCG mtg: May 19

Standards Involved (1st up!)

CS
UWS
TAP
VOSpace

OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)

https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-openapi - UWS OpenAPI spec (WIP)
https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-models - Pydantic python models
https://github.com/pahjbo/DataModelPlayground/tree/interface_models - defining the data models in VO-DML with automatic java and python code generation.

Related GitHub issues (add yours)

Meetings

22 Jan 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes - IVOA_22Jan_PTTT.pdf
26 Feb 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire April 2024) - IVOA_26Feb_PTTT.pdf
Mon 25 Mar 2024 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire May 2024) - IVOA_26Mar_PTTT.pdf
Mon 22 Apr 2024 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire June 2024) - IVOA_26Apr_PTTT.pdf
Thu/Fri May 16/17 Sydney 10am Local time;

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1. Agenda - PTTT_May1617_Schedule.pdf

1. Notes - Yopad shared notes May 16, Yopad shared notes May 17 (will expired July 2024) - IVOA_16May_PTTT.pdf and IVOA_17May_PTTT.pdf

References

OpenAPIs - https://www.openapis.org
Frossie's talk at Bologna in GWS2 - https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpMay2023GWS
Joshua's talk in Bologna in DAL: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2023DAL/mast-tapservice-fraustro.pdf
Simbad ConeSearch service I presented in Bologna: https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/cone/help/
Notes of the DAL sessions with volunteer list for the Tiger Team at the end of the doc: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpNov2023DAL/DAL_1.pdf

From Tucson DAL session YoPAD

Modernisation of protocols - improve compatability with modern web dev tools
GDF: Still very interested in modern definition of protocols/APIs (e..g JSON/ OpenAPI) to assist service implementors to use modern tools. High priority for Rubin

FB: How would that look like

GDF: Way more services than clients - clients have resources to stay up to date - would need to update clients to support new services while supporting old services. New services would be json based

GDF: Suggest a tiger team as no one service can do this alone

GM: Have used microsservices with json to send votable in the new SIMBAD's ConeSearch service

GDF: About service interaction not votable format change - so how UWS works. Really hard to implement UWS in contemporary

JD: Is OpenAPI a useful step?

Tim: Is there support for json? Yes, then presumably some would be intersted in volunteering.

RE: NED already has json behind the scenes and easier to convert json

DM: Suggest updating standards as defining the data model and then have an examples of the json implementation as well as XML. Don't want to be talking in 10 years about how to convert away from json!

Joshua Fraustro: MAST has a model of the UWS interactions - need management approval to make them open source and share.

Tim: Use Pydantic and FastAPI too - very happy with them

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Revision 302024-05-19 - JamesDempsey

META TOPICPARENT	name="IvoaTCG"

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

The Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team was formed in Tucson at the Interop meeting in Nov 2023. The aim is to address the question of compatibility of the DAL protocols (and by implication protocols such as UWS) with modern web development tools. A number of people volunteered to form a tiger team to work on this.

The recommendations being examined would mostly be in DAL and GWS (e.g., TAP, SIA2, SODA, UWS) so will need to be a cross WG effort. A question to answer is : How do we adapt the protocol interactions to be compatible with tools such as OpenAPI.

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

Membership - email alias "P3T"

James Dempsey - james.dempsey@csiro.au - Lead (DAL Ch) - P3T Lead
Dave Morris - dave@metagrid.co.uk
Kim Gillies - kgillies@tmt.org (If we are volunteering to help with creating service APIs in OPENAPI, I would participate)
Gregory Dubois Felsmann - gpdf@ipac.caltech.edu
Grégory Mantelet - gregory.mantelet@astro.unistra.fr (DAL V Ch)
Janet Evans - janet@cfa.harvard.edu
Jesus Salgado - jesus.salgado@skao.int (GWS Ch)
Joshua Fraustro - jfraustro@stsci.edu (sharing pydantic/pydantic-xml models)
Marco Molinaro - marco.molinaro@inaf.it
Rick Ebert - rick.ebert@caltech.edu (NED) anything that helps to standardize datamodel/semantics
Paul Harrison - paul.harrison@manchester.ac.uk
Sara Bertocco - sara.bertocco@inaf.it (GWS V Ch)
Theresa Dower - dower@stsci.edu (work on open sourcing the pydantic model code in recent MAST TAP services.)
Tom Donaldson - tdonaldson@stsci.edu
Adrian Damian - adrian.damian@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Brian Major - brian.major@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Russ Alberry - eagle@eyrie.org
Pat Dowler - pdowler.cadc@gmail.com
Brian Major - major.brian@gmail.com

Initial Plan forward

Setup a wiki & mail list
Meet over 4 months ... Jan - April (once a month)
Plan to meet in Sydney 2 days (Thu/Fri, May 16/17) prior to IVOA that starts on Sunday (discussed with Simon/he can do it)
May Interop : May 20-24; TCG mtg: May 19

Standards Involved (1st up!)

CS
UWS
TAP
VOSpace

OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)

https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-openapi - UWS OpenAPI spec (WIP)
https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-models - Pydantic python models
https://github.com/pahjbo/DataModelPlayground/tree/interface_models - defining the data models in VO-DML with automatic java and python code generation.

Related GitHub issues (add yours)

Meetings

22 Jan 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes - IVOA_22Jan_PTTT.pdf
26 Feb 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire April 2024) - IVOA_26Feb_PTTT.pdf
Mon 25 Mar 2024 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire May 2024) - IVOA_26Mar_PTTT.pdf
Mon 22 Apr 2024 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire June 2024) - IVOA_26Apr_PTTT.pdf

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1. Agenda - PTTT_May1617_Schedule.pdf
2. Notes - Yopad shared notes May 16, Yopad shared notes May 17 (will expired July 2024) - IVOA_16May_PTTT.pdf and IVOA_17May_PTTT.pdf

References

OpenAPIs - https://www.openapis.org
Frossie's talk at Bologna in GWS2 - https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpMay2023GWS
Joshua's talk in Bologna in DAL: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2023DAL/mast-tapservice-fraustro.pdf
Simbad ConeSearch service I presented in Bologna: https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/cone/help/
Notes of the DAL sessions with volunteer list for the Tiger Team at the end of the doc: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpNov2023DAL/DAL_1.pdf

From Tucson DAL session YoPAD

Modernisation of protocols - improve compatability with modern web dev tools
GDF: Still very interested in modern definition of protocols/APIs (e..g JSON/ OpenAPI) to assist service implementors to use modern tools. High priority for Rubin

FB: How would that look like

GDF: Way more services than clients - clients have resources to stay up to date - would need to update clients to support new services while supporting old services. New services would be json based

GDF: Suggest a tiger team as no one service can do this alone

GM: Have used microsservices with json to send votable in the new SIMBAD's ConeSearch service

GDF: About service interaction not votable format change - so how UWS works. Really hard to implement UWS in contemporary

JD: Is OpenAPI a useful step?

Tim: Is there support for json? Yes, then presumably some would be intersted in volunteering.

RE: NED already has json behind the scenes and easier to convert json

DM: Suggest updating standards as defining the data model and then have an examples of the json implementation as well as XML. Don't want to be talking in 10 years about how to convert away from json!

Joshua Fraustro: MAST has a model of the UWS interactions - need management approval to make them open source and share.

Tim: Use Pydantic and FastAPI too - very happy with them

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Revision 292024-05-16 - MarcoMolinaro

META TOPICPARENT	name="IvoaTCG"

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

The Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team was formed in Tucson at the Interop meeting in Nov 2023. The aim is to address the question of compatibility of the DAL protocols (and by implication protocols such as UWS) with modern web development tools. A number of people volunteered to form a tiger team to work on this.

The recommendations being examined would mostly be in DAL and GWS (e.g., TAP, SIA2, SODA, UWS) so will need to be a cross WG effort. A question to answer is : How do we adapt the protocol interactions to be compatible with tools such as OpenAPI.

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

Membership - email alias "P3T"

James Dempsey - james.dempsey@csiro.au - Lead (DAL Ch) - P3T Lead
Dave Morris - dave@metagrid.co.uk
Kim Gillies - kgillies@tmt.org (If we are volunteering to help with creating service APIs in OPENAPI, I would participate)
Gregory Dubois Felsmann - gpdf@ipac.caltech.edu
Grégory Mantelet - gregory.mantelet@astro.unistra.fr (DAL V Ch)
Janet Evans - janet@cfa.harvard.edu
Jesus Salgado - jesus.salgado@skao.int (GWS Ch)
Joshua Fraustro - jfraustro@stsci.edu (sharing pydantic/pydantic-xml models)
Marco Molinaro - marco.molinaro@inaf.it
Rick Ebert - rick.ebert@caltech.edu (NED) anything that helps to standardize datamodel/semantics
Paul Harrison - paul.harrison@manchester.ac.uk
Sara Bertocco - sara.bertocco@inaf.it (GWS V Ch)
Theresa Dower - dower@stsci.edu (work on open sourcing the pydantic model code in recent MAST TAP services.)
Tom Donaldson - tdonaldson@stsci.edu
Adrian Damian - adrian.damian@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Brian Major - brian.major@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Russ Alberry - eagle@eyrie.org
Pat Dowler - pdowler.cadc@gmail.com
Brian Major - major.brian@gmail.com

Initial Plan forward

Setup a wiki & mail list
Meet over 4 months ... Jan - April (once a month)
Plan to meet in Sydney 2 days (Thu/Fri, May 16/17) prior to IVOA that starts on Sunday (discussed with Simon/he can do it)
May Interop : May 20-24; TCG mtg: May 19

Standards Involved (1st up!)

CS
UWS
TAP
VOSpace

OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)

https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-openapi - UWS OpenAPI spec (WIP)
https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-models - Pydantic python models
https://github.com/pahjbo/DataModelPlayground/tree/interface_models - defining the data models in VO-DML with automatic java and python code generation.

Related GitHub issues (add yours)

Meetings

22 Jan 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes - IVOA_22Jan_PTTT.pdf
26 Feb 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire April 2024) - IVOA_26Feb_PTTT.pdf
Mon 25 Mar 2024 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire May 2024) - IVOA_26Mar_PTTT.pdf
Mon 22 Apr 2024 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire June 2024) - IVOA_26Apr_PTTT.pdf

Changed:

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Thu/Fri May 16/17 Sydney 10am Local time; Agenda - PTTT_May1617_Schedule.pdf - yopad shared notes

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Thu/Fri May 16/17 Sydney 10am Local time; Agenda - PTTT_May1617_Schedule.pdf - yopad shared notes: May 16, May 17

References

OpenAPIs - https://www.openapis.org
Frossie's talk at Bologna in GWS2 - https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpMay2023GWS
Joshua's talk in Bologna in DAL: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2023DAL/mast-tapservice-fraustro.pdf
Simbad ConeSearch service I presented in Bologna: https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/cone/help/
Notes of the DAL sessions with volunteer list for the Tiger Team at the end of the doc: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpNov2023DAL/DAL_1.pdf

From Tucson DAL session YoPAD

Modernisation of protocols - improve compatability with modern web dev tools
GDF: Still very interested in modern definition of protocols/APIs (e..g JSON/ OpenAPI) to assist service implementors to use modern tools. High priority for Rubin

FB: How would that look like

GDF: Way more services than clients - clients have resources to stay up to date - would need to update clients to support new services while supporting old services. New services would be json based

GDF: Suggest a tiger team as no one service can do this alone

GM: Have used microsservices with json to send votable in the new SIMBAD's ConeSearch service

GDF: About service interaction not votable format change - so how UWS works. Really hard to implement UWS in contemporary

JD: Is OpenAPI a useful step?

Tim: Is there support for json? Yes, then presumably some would be intersted in volunteering.

RE: NED already has json behind the scenes and easier to convert json

DM: Suggest updating standards as defining the data model and then have an examples of the json implementation as well as XML. Don't want to be talking in 10 years about how to convert away from json!

Joshua Fraustro: MAST has a model of the UWS interactions - need management approval to make them open source and share.

Tim: Use Pydantic and FastAPI too - very happy with them

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Revision 282024-05-16 - JanetEvans

META TOPICPARENT	name="IvoaTCG"

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

The Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team was formed in Tucson at the Interop meeting in Nov 2023. The aim is to address the question of compatibility of the DAL protocols (and by implication protocols such as UWS) with modern web development tools. A number of people volunteered to form a tiger team to work on this.

The recommendations being examined would mostly be in DAL and GWS (e.g., TAP, SIA2, SODA, UWS) so will need to be a cross WG effort. A question to answer is : How do we adapt the protocol interactions to be compatible with tools such as OpenAPI.

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

Membership - email alias "P3T"

James Dempsey - james.dempsey@csiro.au - Lead (DAL Ch) - P3T Lead
Dave Morris - dave@metagrid.co.uk
Kim Gillies - kgillies@tmt.org (If we are volunteering to help with creating service APIs in OPENAPI, I would participate)
Gregory Dubois Felsmann - gpdf@ipac.caltech.edu
Grégory Mantelet - gregory.mantelet@astro.unistra.fr (DAL V Ch)
Janet Evans - janet@cfa.harvard.edu
Jesus Salgado - jesus.salgado@skao.int (GWS Ch)
Joshua Fraustro - jfraustro@stsci.edu (sharing pydantic/pydantic-xml models)
Marco Molinaro - marco.molinaro@inaf.it
Rick Ebert - rick.ebert@caltech.edu (NED) anything that helps to standardize datamodel/semantics
Paul Harrison - paul.harrison@manchester.ac.uk
Sara Bertocco - sara.bertocco@inaf.it (GWS V Ch)
Theresa Dower - dower@stsci.edu (work on open sourcing the pydantic model code in recent MAST TAP services.)
Tom Donaldson - tdonaldson@stsci.edu
Adrian Damian - adrian.damian@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Brian Major - brian.major@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Russ Alberry - eagle@eyrie.org

Added:

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Pat Dowler - pdowler.cadc@gmail.com
Brian Major - major.brian@gmail.com

Initial Plan forward

Setup a wiki & mail list
Meet over 4 months ... Jan - April (once a month)
Plan to meet in Sydney 2 days (Thu/Fri, May 16/17) prior to IVOA that starts on Sunday (discussed with Simon/he can do it)
May Interop : May 20-24; TCG mtg: May 19

Standards Involved (1st up!)

CS
UWS
TAP
VOSpace

OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)

https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-openapi - UWS OpenAPI spec (WIP)
https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-models - Pydantic python models
https://github.com/pahjbo/DataModelPlayground/tree/interface_models - defining the data models in VO-DML with automatic java and python code generation.

Related GitHub issues (add yours)

Meetings

22 Jan 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes - IVOA_22Jan_PTTT.pdf
26 Feb 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire April 2024) - IVOA_26Feb_PTTT.pdf
Mon 25 Mar 2024 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire May 2024) - IVOA_26Mar_PTTT.pdf
Mon 22 Apr 2024 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire June 2024) - IVOA_26Apr_PTTT.pdf
Thu/Fri May 16/17 Sydney 10am Local time; Agenda - PTTT_May1617_Schedule.pdf - yopad shared notes

References

OpenAPIs - https://www.openapis.org
Frossie's talk at Bologna in GWS2 - https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpMay2023GWS
Joshua's talk in Bologna in DAL: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2023DAL/mast-tapservice-fraustro.pdf
Simbad ConeSearch service I presented in Bologna: https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/cone/help/
Notes of the DAL sessions with volunteer list for the Tiger Team at the end of the doc: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpNov2023DAL/DAL_1.pdf

From Tucson DAL session YoPAD

Modernisation of protocols - improve compatability with modern web dev tools
GDF: Still very interested in modern definition of protocols/APIs (e..g JSON/ OpenAPI) to assist service implementors to use modern tools. High priority for Rubin

FB: How would that look like

GDF: Way more services than clients - clients have resources to stay up to date - would need to update clients to support new services while supporting old services. New services would be json based

GDF: Suggest a tiger team as no one service can do this alone

GM: Have used microsservices with json to send votable in the new SIMBAD's ConeSearch service

GDF: About service interaction not votable format change - so how UWS works. Really hard to implement UWS in contemporary

JD: Is OpenAPI a useful step?

Tim: Is there support for json? Yes, then presumably some would be intersted in volunteering.

RE: NED already has json behind the scenes and easier to convert json

DM: Suggest updating standards as defining the data model and then have an examples of the json implementation as well as XML. Don't want to be talking in 10 years about how to convert away from json!

Joshua Fraustro: MAST has a model of the UWS interactions - need management approval to make them open source and share.

Tim: Use Pydantic and FastAPI too - very happy with them

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Revision 272024-05-16 - JamesDempsey

META TOPICPARENT	name="IvoaTCG"

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

The Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team was formed in Tucson at the Interop meeting in Nov 2023. The aim is to address the question of compatibility of the DAL protocols (and by implication protocols such as UWS) with modern web development tools. A number of people volunteered to form a tiger team to work on this.

The recommendations being examined would mostly be in DAL and GWS (e.g., TAP, SIA2, SODA, UWS) so will need to be a cross WG effort. A question to answer is : How do we adapt the protocol interactions to be compatible with tools such as OpenAPI.

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

Membership - email alias "P3T"

James Dempsey - james.dempsey@csiro.au - Lead (DAL Ch) - P3T Lead
Dave Morris - dave@metagrid.co.uk
Kim Gillies - kgillies@tmt.org (If we are volunteering to help with creating service APIs in OPENAPI, I would participate)
Gregory Dubois Felsmann - gpdf@ipac.caltech.edu
Grégory Mantelet - gregory.mantelet@astro.unistra.fr (DAL V Ch)
Janet Evans - janet@cfa.harvard.edu
Jesus Salgado - jesus.salgado@skao.int (GWS Ch)
Joshua Fraustro - jfraustro@stsci.edu (sharing pydantic/pydantic-xml models)
Marco Molinaro - marco.molinaro@inaf.it
Rick Ebert - rick.ebert@caltech.edu (NED) anything that helps to standardize datamodel/semantics
Paul Harrison - paul.harrison@manchester.ac.uk
Sara Bertocco - sara.bertocco@inaf.it (GWS V Ch)
Theresa Dower - dower@stsci.edu (work on open sourcing the pydantic model code in recent MAST TAP services.)
Tom Donaldson - tdonaldson@stsci.edu
Adrian Damian - adrian.damian@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Brian Major - brian.major@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Russ Alberry - eagle@eyrie.org

Initial Plan forward

Setup a wiki & mail list
Meet over 4 months ... Jan - April (once a month)
Plan to meet in Sydney 2 days (Thu/Fri, May 16/17) prior to IVOA that starts on Sunday (discussed with Simon/he can do it)
May Interop : May 20-24; TCG mtg: May 19

Standards Involved (1st up!)

CS
UWS
TAP
VOSpace

OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)

https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-openapi - UWS OpenAPI spec (WIP)
https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-models - Pydantic python models
https://github.com/pahjbo/DataModelPlayground/tree/interface_models - defining the data models in VO-DML with automatic java and python code generation.

Related GitHub issues (add yours)

Meetings

22 Jan 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes - IVOA_22Jan_PTTT.pdf
26 Feb 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire April 2024) - IVOA_26Feb_PTTT.pdf
Mon 25 Mar 2024 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire May 2024) - IVOA_26Mar_PTTT.pdf
Mon 22 Apr 2024 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire June 2024) - IVOA_26Apr_PTTT.pdf

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References

OpenAPIs - https://www.openapis.org
Frossie's talk at Bologna in GWS2 - https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpMay2023GWS
Joshua's talk in Bologna in DAL: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2023DAL/mast-tapservice-fraustro.pdf
Simbad ConeSearch service I presented in Bologna: https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/cone/help/
Notes of the DAL sessions with volunteer list for the Tiger Team at the end of the doc: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpNov2023DAL/DAL_1.pdf

From Tucson DAL session YoPAD

Modernisation of protocols - improve compatability with modern web dev tools
GDF: Still very interested in modern definition of protocols/APIs (e..g JSON/ OpenAPI) to assist service implementors to use modern tools. High priority for Rubin

FB: How would that look like

GDF: Way more services than clients - clients have resources to stay up to date - would need to update clients to support new services while supporting old services. New services would be json based

GDF: Suggest a tiger team as no one service can do this alone

GM: Have used microsservices with json to send votable in the new SIMBAD's ConeSearch service

GDF: About service interaction not votable format change - so how UWS works. Really hard to implement UWS in contemporary

JD: Is OpenAPI a useful step?

Tim: Is there support for json? Yes, then presumably some would be intersted in volunteering.

RE: NED already has json behind the scenes and easier to convert json

DM: Suggest updating standards as defining the data model and then have an examples of the json implementation as well as XML. Don't want to be talking in 10 years about how to convert away from json!

Joshua Fraustro: MAST has a model of the UWS interactions - need management approval to make them open source and share.

Tim: Use Pydantic and FastAPI too - very happy with them

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META TOPICPARENT	name="IvoaTCG"

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

The Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team was formed in Tucson at the Interop meeting in Nov 2023. The aim is to address the question of compatibility of the DAL protocols (and by implication protocols such as UWS) with modern web development tools. A number of people volunteered to form a tiger team to work on this.

The recommendations being examined would mostly be in DAL and GWS (e.g., TAP, SIA2, SODA, UWS) so will need to be a cross WG effort. A question to answer is : How do we adapt the protocol interactions to be compatible with tools such as OpenAPI.

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

Membership - email alias "P3T"

James Dempsey - james.dempsey@csiro.au - Lead (DAL Ch) - P3T Lead
Dave Morris - dave@metagrid.co.uk
Kim Gillies - kgillies@tmt.org (If we are volunteering to help with creating service APIs in OPENAPI, I would participate)
Gregory Dubois Felsmann - gpdf@ipac.caltech.edu
Grégory Mantelet - gregory.mantelet@astro.unistra.fr (DAL V Ch)
Janet Evans - janet@cfa.harvard.edu
Jesus Salgado - jesus.salgado@skao.int (GWS Ch)
Joshua Fraustro - jfraustro@stsci.edu (sharing pydantic/pydantic-xml models)
Marco Molinaro - marco.molinaro@inaf.it
Rick Ebert - rick.ebert@caltech.edu (NED) anything that helps to standardize datamodel/semantics
Paul Harrison - paul.harrison@manchester.ac.uk
Sara Bertocco - sara.bertocco@inaf.it (GWS V Ch)
Theresa Dower - dower@stsci.edu (work on open sourcing the pydantic model code in recent MAST TAP services.)
Tom Donaldson - tdonaldson@stsci.edu
Adrian Damian - adrian.damian@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Brian Major - brian.major@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Russ Alberry - eagle@eyrie.org

Initial Plan forward

Setup a wiki & mail list
Meet over 4 months ... Jan - April (once a month)
Plan to meet in Sydney 2 days (Thu/Fri, May 16/17) prior to IVOA that starts on Sunday (discussed with Simon/he can do it)
May Interop : May 20-24; TCG mtg: May 19

Standards Involved (1st up!)

CS
UWS
TAP
VOSpace

OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)

https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-openapi - UWS OpenAPI spec (WIP)
https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-models - Pydantic python models
https://github.com/pahjbo/DataModelPlayground/tree/interface_models - defining the data models in VO-DML with automatic java and python code generation.

Related GitHub issues (add yours)

Meetings

22 Jan 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes - IVOA_22Jan_PTTT.pdf
26 Feb 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire April 2024) - IVOA_26Feb_PTTT.pdf
Mon 25 Mar 2024 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire May 2024) - IVOA_26Mar_PTTT.pdf

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Added:

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Thu/Fri May 16/17 Sydney 10am Local time; Agenda - PTTT_May1617_Schedule.pdf

References

OpenAPIs - https://www.openapis.org
Frossie's talk at Bologna in GWS2 - https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpMay2023GWS
Joshua's talk in Bologna in DAL: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2023DAL/mast-tapservice-fraustro.pdf
Simbad ConeSearch service I presented in Bologna: https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/cone/help/
Notes of the DAL sessions with volunteer list for the Tiger Team at the end of the doc: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpNov2023DAL/DAL_1.pdf

From Tucson DAL session YoPAD

Modernisation of protocols - improve compatability with modern web dev tools
GDF: Still very interested in modern definition of protocols/APIs (e..g JSON/ OpenAPI) to assist service implementors to use modern tools. High priority for Rubin

FB: How would that look like

GDF: Way more services than clients - clients have resources to stay up to date - would need to update clients to support new services while supporting old services. New services would be json based

GDF: Suggest a tiger team as no one service can do this alone

GM: Have used microsservices with json to send votable in the new SIMBAD's ConeSearch service

GDF: About service interaction not votable format change - so how UWS works. Really hard to implement UWS in contemporary

JD: Is OpenAPI a useful step?

Tim: Is there support for json? Yes, then presumably some would be intersted in volunteering.

RE: NED already has json behind the scenes and easier to convert json

DM: Suggest updating standards as defining the data model and then have an examples of the json implementation as well as XML. Don't want to be talking in 10 years about how to convert away from json!

Joshua Fraustro: MAST has a model of the UWS interactions - need management approval to make them open source and share.

Tim: Use Pydantic and FastAPI too - very happy with them

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Revision 252024-05-07 - JamesDempsey

META TOPICPARENT	name="IvoaTCG"

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

The Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team was formed in Tucson at the Interop meeting in Nov 2023. The aim is to address the question of compatibility of the DAL protocols (and by implication protocols such as UWS) with modern web development tools. A number of people volunteered to form a tiger team to work on this.

The recommendations being examined would mostly be in DAL and GWS (e.g., TAP, SIA2, SODA, UWS) so will need to be a cross WG effort. A question to answer is : How do we adapt the protocol interactions to be compatible with tools such as OpenAPI.

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

Membership - email alias "P3T"

James Dempsey - james.dempsey@csiro.au - Lead (DAL Ch) - P3T Lead
Dave Morris - dave@metagrid.co.uk
Kim Gillies - kgillies@tmt.org (If we are volunteering to help with creating service APIs in OPENAPI, I would participate)
Gregory Dubois Felsmann - gpdf@ipac.caltech.edu
Grégory Mantelet - gregory.mantelet@astro.unistra.fr (DAL V Ch)
Janet Evans - janet@cfa.harvard.edu
Jesus Salgado - jesus.salgado@skao.int (GWS Ch)
Joshua Fraustro - jfraustro@stsci.edu (sharing pydantic/pydantic-xml models)
Marco Molinaro - marco.molinaro@inaf.it
Rick Ebert - rick.ebert@caltech.edu (NED) anything that helps to standardize datamodel/semantics
Paul Harrison - paul.harrison@manchester.ac.uk
Sara Bertocco - sara.bertocco@inaf.it (GWS V Ch)
Theresa Dower - dower@stsci.edu (work on open sourcing the pydantic model code in recent MAST TAP services.)
Tom Donaldson - tdonaldson@stsci.edu
Adrian Damian - adrian.damian@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Brian Major - brian.major@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Russ Alberry - eagle@eyrie.org

Initial Plan forward

Setup a wiki & mail list
Meet over 4 months ... Jan - April (once a month)
Plan to meet in Sydney 2 days (Thu/Fri, May 16/17) prior to IVOA that starts on Sunday (discussed with Simon/he can do it)
May Interop : May 20-24; TCG mtg: May 19

Standards Involved (1st up!)

CS
UWS
TAP
VOSpace

OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)

https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-openapi - UWS OpenAPI spec (WIP)
https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-models - Pydantic python models
https://github.com/pahjbo/DataModelPlayground/tree/interface_models - defining the data models in VO-DML with automatic java and python code generation.

Related GitHub issues (add yours)

Meetings

22 Jan 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes - IVOA_22Jan_PTTT.pdf
26 Feb 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire April 2024) - IVOA_26Feb_PTTT.pdf
Mon 25 Mar 2024 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire May 2024) - IVOA_26Mar_PTTT.pdf

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Mon 22 Apr 2024 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire June 2024) - IVOA_26Apr_PTTT.pdf

References

OpenAPIs - https://www.openapis.org
Frossie's talk at Bologna in GWS2 - https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpMay2023GWS
Joshua's talk in Bologna in DAL: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2023DAL/mast-tapservice-fraustro.pdf
Simbad ConeSearch service I presented in Bologna: https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/cone/help/
Notes of the DAL sessions with volunteer list for the Tiger Team at the end of the doc: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpNov2023DAL/DAL_1.pdf

From Tucson DAL session YoPAD

Modernisation of protocols - improve compatability with modern web dev tools
GDF: Still very interested in modern definition of protocols/APIs (e..g JSON/ OpenAPI) to assist service implementors to use modern tools. High priority for Rubin

FB: How would that look like

GDF: Way more services than clients - clients have resources to stay up to date - would need to update clients to support new services while supporting old services. New services would be json based

GDF: Suggest a tiger team as no one service can do this alone

GM: Have used microsservices with json to send votable in the new SIMBAD's ConeSearch service

GDF: About service interaction not votable format change - so how UWS works. Really hard to implement UWS in contemporary

JD: Is OpenAPI a useful step?

Tim: Is there support for json? Yes, then presumably some would be intersted in volunteering.

RE: NED already has json behind the scenes and easier to convert json

DM: Suggest updating standards as defining the data model and then have an examples of the json implementation as well as XML. Don't want to be talking in 10 years about how to convert away from json!

Joshua Fraustro: MAST has a model of the UWS interactions - need management approval to make them open source and share.

Tim: Use Pydantic and FastAPI too - very happy with them

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Revision 242024-04-17 - JamesDempsey

META TOPICPARENT	name="IvoaTCG"

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

The Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team was formed in Tucson at the Interop meeting in Nov 2023. The aim is to address the question of compatibility of the DAL protocols (and by implication protocols such as UWS) with modern web development tools. A number of people volunteered to form a tiger team to work on this.

The recommendations being examined would mostly be in DAL and GWS (e.g., TAP, SIA2, SODA, UWS) so will need to be a cross WG effort. A question to answer is : How do we adapt the protocol interactions to be compatible with tools such as OpenAPI.

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

Membership - email alias "P3T"

James Dempsey - james.dempsey@csiro.au - Lead (DAL Ch) - P3T Lead
Dave Morris - dave@metagrid.co.uk
Kim Gillies - kgillies@tmt.org (If we are volunteering to help with creating service APIs in OPENAPI, I would participate)
Gregory Dubois Felsmann - gpdf@ipac.caltech.edu
Grégory Mantelet - gregory.mantelet@astro.unistra.fr (DAL V Ch)
Janet Evans - janet@cfa.harvard.edu
Jesus Salgado - jesus.salgado@skao.int (GWS Ch)
Joshua Fraustro - jfraustro@stsci.edu (sharing pydantic/pydantic-xml models)
Marco Molinaro - marco.molinaro@inaf.it
Rick Ebert - rick.ebert@caltech.edu (NED) anything that helps to standardize datamodel/semantics
Paul Harrison - paul.harrison@manchester.ac.uk
Sara Bertocco - sara.bertocco@inaf.it (GWS V Ch)
Theresa Dower - dower@stsci.edu (work on open sourcing the pydantic model code in recent MAST TAP services.)
Tom Donaldson - tdonaldson@stsci.edu
Adrian Damian - adrian.damian@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Brian Major - brian.major@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Russ Alberry - eagle@eyrie.org

Initial Plan forward

Setup a wiki & mail list
Meet over 4 months ... Jan - April (once a month)
Plan to meet in Sydney 2 days (Thu/Fri, May 16/17) prior to IVOA that starts on Sunday (discussed with Simon/he can do it)
May Interop : May 20-24; TCG mtg: May 19

Standards Involved (1st up!)

CS
UWS
TAP
VOSpace

OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)

https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-openapi - UWS OpenAPI spec (WIP)
https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-models - Pydantic python models
https://github.com/pahjbo/DataModelPlayground/tree/interface_models - defining the data models in VO-DML with automatic java and python code generation.

Related GitHub issues (add yours)

Meetings

22 Jan 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes - IVOA_22Jan_PTTT.pdf
26 Feb 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire April 2024) - IVOA_26Feb_PTTT.pdf
Mon 25 Mar 2024 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire May 2024) - IVOA_26Mar_PTTT.pdf

Added:

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Mon 22 Apr 2024 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes

References

OpenAPIs - https://www.openapis.org
Frossie's talk at Bologna in GWS2 - https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpMay2023GWS
Joshua's talk in Bologna in DAL: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2023DAL/mast-tapservice-fraustro.pdf
Simbad ConeSearch service I presented in Bologna: https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/cone/help/
Notes of the DAL sessions with volunteer list for the Tiger Team at the end of the doc: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpNov2023DAL/DAL_1.pdf

From Tucson DAL session YoPAD

Modernisation of protocols - improve compatability with modern web dev tools
GDF: Still very interested in modern definition of protocols/APIs (e..g JSON/ OpenAPI) to assist service implementors to use modern tools. High priority for Rubin

FB: How would that look like

GDF: Way more services than clients - clients have resources to stay up to date - would need to update clients to support new services while supporting old services. New services would be json based

GDF: Suggest a tiger team as no one service can do this alone

GM: Have used microsservices with json to send votable in the new SIMBAD's ConeSearch service

GDF: About service interaction not votable format change - so how UWS works. Really hard to implement UWS in contemporary

JD: Is OpenAPI a useful step?

Tim: Is there support for json? Yes, then presumably some would be intersted in volunteering.

RE: NED already has json behind the scenes and easier to convert json

DM: Suggest updating standards as defining the data model and then have an examples of the json implementation as well as XML. Don't want to be talking in 10 years about how to convert away from json!

Joshua Fraustro: MAST has a model of the UWS interactions - need management approval to make them open source and share.

Tim: Use Pydantic and FastAPI too - very happy with them

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Revision 232024-04-02 - JamesDempsey

META TOPICPARENT	name="IvoaTCG"

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

The Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team was formed in Tucson at the Interop meeting in Nov 2023. The aim is to address the question of compatibility of the DAL protocols (and by implication protocols such as UWS) with modern web development tools. A number of people volunteered to form a tiger team to work on this.

The recommendations being examined would mostly be in DAL and GWS (e.g., TAP, SIA2, SODA, UWS) so will need to be a cross WG effort. A question to answer is : How do we adapt the protocol interactions to be compatible with tools such as OpenAPI.

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

Membership - email alias "P3T"

James Dempsey - james.dempsey@csiro.au - Lead (DAL Ch) - P3T Lead
Dave Morris - dave@metagrid.co.uk
Kim Gillies - kgillies@tmt.org (If we are volunteering to help with creating service APIs in OPENAPI, I would participate)
Gregory Dubois Felsmann - gpdf@ipac.caltech.edu
Grégory Mantelet - gregory.mantelet@astro.unistra.fr (DAL V Ch)
Janet Evans - janet@cfa.harvard.edu
Jesus Salgado - jesus.salgado@skao.int (GWS Ch)
Joshua Fraustro - jfraustro@stsci.edu (sharing pydantic/pydantic-xml models)
Marco Molinaro - marco.molinaro@inaf.it
Rick Ebert - rick.ebert@caltech.edu (NED) anything that helps to standardize datamodel/semantics
Paul Harrison - paul.harrison@manchester.ac.uk
Sara Bertocco - sara.bertocco@inaf.it (GWS V Ch)
Theresa Dower - dower@stsci.edu (work on open sourcing the pydantic model code in recent MAST TAP services.)
Tom Donaldson - tdonaldson@stsci.edu
Adrian Damian - adrian.damian@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Brian Major - brian.major@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Russ Alberry - eagle@eyrie.org

Initial Plan forward

Setup a wiki & mail list
Meet over 4 months ... Jan - April (once a month)
Plan to meet in Sydney 2 days (Thu/Fri, May 16/17) prior to IVOA that starts on Sunday (discussed with Simon/he can do it)
May Interop : May 20-24; TCG mtg: May 19

Standards Involved (1st up!)

CS
UWS
TAP
VOSpace

OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)

https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-openapi - UWS OpenAPI spec (WIP)
https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-models - Pydantic python models
https://github.com/pahjbo/DataModelPlayground/tree/interface_models - defining the data models in VO-DML with automatic java and python code generation.

Related GitHub issues (add yours)

Meetings

22 Jan 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes - IVOA_22Jan_PTTT.pdf
26 Feb 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire April 2024) - IVOA_26Feb_PTTT.pdf

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References

OpenAPIs - https://www.openapis.org
Frossie's talk at Bologna in GWS2 - https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpMay2023GWS
Joshua's talk in Bologna in DAL: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2023DAL/mast-tapservice-fraustro.pdf
Simbad ConeSearch service I presented in Bologna: https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/cone/help/
Notes of the DAL sessions with volunteer list for the Tiger Team at the end of the doc: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpNov2023DAL/DAL_1.pdf

From Tucson DAL session YoPAD

Modernisation of protocols - improve compatability with modern web dev tools
GDF: Still very interested in modern definition of protocols/APIs (e..g JSON/ OpenAPI) to assist service implementors to use modern tools. High priority for Rubin

FB: How would that look like

GDF: Way more services than clients - clients have resources to stay up to date - would need to update clients to support new services while supporting old services. New services would be json based

GDF: Suggest a tiger team as no one service can do this alone

GM: Have used microsservices with json to send votable in the new SIMBAD's ConeSearch service

GDF: About service interaction not votable format change - so how UWS works. Really hard to implement UWS in contemporary

JD: Is OpenAPI a useful step?

Tim: Is there support for json? Yes, then presumably some would be intersted in volunteering.

RE: NED already has json behind the scenes and easier to convert json

DM: Suggest updating standards as defining the data model and then have an examples of the json implementation as well as XML. Don't want to be talking in 10 years about how to convert away from json!

Joshua Fraustro: MAST has a model of the UWS interactions - need management approval to make them open source and share.

Tim: Use Pydantic and FastAPI too - very happy with them

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Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

The Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team was formed in Tucson at the Interop meeting in Nov 2023. The aim is to address the question of compatibility of the DAL protocols (and by implication protocols such as UWS) with modern web development tools. A number of people volunteered to form a tiger team to work on this.

The recommendations being examined would mostly be in DAL and GWS (e.g., TAP, SIA2, SODA, UWS) so will need to be a cross WG effort. A question to answer is : How do we adapt the protocol interactions to be compatible with tools such as OpenAPI.

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

Membership - email alias "P3T"

James Dempsey - james.dempsey@csiro.au - Lead (DAL Ch) - P3T Lead
Dave Morris - dave@metagrid.co.uk
Kim Gillies - kgillies@tmt.org (If we are volunteering to help with creating service APIs in OPENAPI, I would participate)
Gregory Dubois Felsmann - gpdf@ipac.caltech.edu
Grégory Mantelet - gregory.mantelet@astro.unistra.fr (DAL V Ch)
Janet Evans - janet@cfa.harvard.edu
Jesus Salgado - jesus.salgado@skao.int (GWS Ch)
Joshua Fraustro - jfraustro@stsci.edu (sharing pydantic/pydantic-xml models)
Marco Molinaro - marco.molinaro@inaf.it
Rick Ebert - rick.ebert@caltech.edu (NED) anything that helps to standardize datamodel/semantics
Paul Harrison - paul.harrison@manchester.ac.uk
Sara Bertocco - sara.bertocco@inaf.it (GWS V Ch)
Theresa Dower - dower@stsci.edu (work on open sourcing the pydantic model code in recent MAST TAP services.)
Tom Donaldson - tdonaldson@stsci.edu
Adrian Damian - adrian.damian@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Brian Major - brian.major@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Russ Alberry - eagle@eyrie.org

Initial Plan forward

Setup a wiki & mail list
Meet over 4 months ... Jan - April (once a month)
Plan to meet in Sydney 2 days (Thu/Fri, May 16/17) prior to IVOA that starts on Sunday (discussed with Simon/he can do it)
May Interop : May 20-24; TCG mtg: May 19

Standards Involved (1st up!)

CS
UWS
TAP
VOSpace

OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)

https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-openapi - UWS OpenAPI spec (WIP)
https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-models - Pydantic python models
https://github.com/pahjbo/DataModelPlayground/tree/interface_models - defining the data models in VO-DML with automatic java and python code generation.

Related GitHub issues (add yours)

Meetings

22 Jan 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes - IVOA_22Jan_PTTT.pdf
26 Feb 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire April 2024) - IVOA_26Feb_PTTT.pdf

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References

OpenAPIs - https://www.openapis.org
Frossie's talk at Bologna in GWS2 - https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpMay2023GWS
Joshua's talk in Bologna in DAL: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2023DAL/mast-tapservice-fraustro.pdf
Simbad ConeSearch service I presented in Bologna: https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/cone/help/
Notes of the DAL sessions with volunteer list for the Tiger Team at the end of the doc: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpNov2023DAL/DAL_1.pdf

From Tucson DAL session YoPAD

Modernisation of protocols - improve compatability with modern web dev tools
GDF: Still very interested in modern definition of protocols/APIs (e..g JSON/ OpenAPI) to assist service implementors to use modern tools. High priority for Rubin

FB: How would that look like

GDF: Way more services than clients - clients have resources to stay up to date - would need to update clients to support new services while supporting old services. New services would be json based

GDF: Suggest a tiger team as no one service can do this alone

GM: Have used microsservices with json to send votable in the new SIMBAD's ConeSearch service

GDF: About service interaction not votable format change - so how UWS works. Really hard to implement UWS in contemporary

JD: Is OpenAPI a useful step?

Tim: Is there support for json? Yes, then presumably some would be intersted in volunteering.

RE: NED already has json behind the scenes and easier to convert json

DM: Suggest updating standards as defining the data model and then have an examples of the json implementation as well as XML. Don't want to be talking in 10 years about how to convert away from json!

Joshua Fraustro: MAST has a model of the UWS interactions - need management approval to make them open source and share.

Tim: Use Pydantic and FastAPI too - very happy with them

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Revision 212024-03-21 - JamesDempsey

META TOPICPARENT	name="IvoaTCG"

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

The Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team was formed in Tucson at the Interop meeting in Nov 2023. The aim is to address the question of compatibility of the DAL protocols (and by implication protocols such as UWS) with modern web development tools. A number of people volunteered to form a tiger team to work on this.

The recommendations being examined would mostly be in DAL and GWS (e.g., TAP, SIA2, SODA, UWS) so will need to be a cross WG effort. A question to answer is : How do we adapt the protocol interactions to be compatible with tools such as OpenAPI.

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

Membership - email alias "P3T"

James Dempsey - james.dempsey@csiro.au - Lead (DAL Ch) - P3T Lead
Dave Morris - dave@metagrid.co.uk
Kim Gillies - kgillies@tmt.org (If we are volunteering to help with creating service APIs in OPENAPI, I would participate)
Gregory Dubois Felsmann - gpdf@ipac.caltech.edu
Grégory Mantelet - gregory.mantelet@astro.unistra.fr (DAL V Ch)
Janet Evans - janet@cfa.harvard.edu
Jesus Salgado - jesus.salgado@skao.int (GWS Ch)
Joshua Fraustro - jfraustro@stsci.edu (sharing pydantic/pydantic-xml models)
Marco Molinaro - marco.molinaro@inaf.it
Rick Ebert - rick.ebert@caltech.edu (NED) anything that helps to standardize datamodel/semantics
Paul Harrison - paul.harrison@manchester.ac.uk
Sara Bertocco - sara.bertocco@inaf.it (GWS V Ch)
Theresa Dower - dower@stsci.edu (work on open sourcing the pydantic model code in recent MAST TAP services.)
Tom Donaldson - tdonaldson@stsci.edu
Adrian Damian - adrian.damian@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Brian Major - brian.major@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Russ Alberry - eagle@eyrie.org

Initial Plan forward

Setup a wiki & mail list
Meet over 4 months ... Jan - April (once a month)
Plan to meet in Sydney 2 days (Thu/Fri, May 16/17) prior to IVOA that starts on Sunday (discussed with Simon/he can do it)
May Interop : May 20-24; TCG mtg: May 19

Standards Involved (1st up!)

CS
UWS
TAP
VOSpace

OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)

https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-openapi - UWS OpenAPI spec (WIP)
https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-models - Pydantic python models
https://github.com/pahjbo/DataModelPlayground/tree/interface_models - defining the data models in VO-DML with automatic java and python code generation.

Related GitHub issues (add yours)

Meetings

22 Jan 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes - IVOA_22Jan_PTTT.pdf

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26 Feb 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire April 2024) - IVOA_26Feb_PTTT.pdf

Mon 25 Mar 2024 20:00 UTC

References

OpenAPIs - https://www.openapis.org
Frossie's talk at Bologna in GWS2 - https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpMay2023GWS
Joshua's talk in Bologna in DAL: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2023DAL/mast-tapservice-fraustro.pdf
Simbad ConeSearch service I presented in Bologna: https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/cone/help/
Notes of the DAL sessions with volunteer list for the Tiger Team at the end of the doc: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpNov2023DAL/DAL_1.pdf

From Tucson DAL session YoPAD

Modernisation of protocols - improve compatability with modern web dev tools
GDF: Still very interested in modern definition of protocols/APIs (e..g JSON/ OpenAPI) to assist service implementors to use modern tools. High priority for Rubin

FB: How would that look like

GDF: Way more services than clients - clients have resources to stay up to date - would need to update clients to support new services while supporting old services. New services would be json based

GDF: Suggest a tiger team as no one service can do this alone

GM: Have used microsservices with json to send votable in the new SIMBAD's ConeSearch service

GDF: About service interaction not votable format change - so how UWS works. Really hard to implement UWS in contemporary

JD: Is OpenAPI a useful step?

Tim: Is there support for json? Yes, then presumably some would be intersted in volunteering.

RE: NED already has json behind the scenes and easier to convert json

DM: Suggest updating standards as defining the data model and then have an examples of the json implementation as well as XML. Don't want to be talking in 10 years about how to convert away from json!

Joshua Fraustro: MAST has a model of the UWS interactions - need management approval to make them open source and share.

Tim: Use Pydantic and FastAPI too - very happy with them

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Revision 202024-03-12 - GregoryDuboisFelsmann

META TOPICPARENT	name="IvoaTCG"

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

The Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team was formed in Tucson at the Interop meeting in Nov 2023. The aim is to address the question of compatibility of the DAL protocols (and by implication protocols such as UWS) with modern web development tools. A number of people volunteered to form a tiger team to work on this.

The recommendations being examined would mostly be in DAL and GWS (e.g., TAP, SIA2, SODA, UWS) so will need to be a cross WG effort. A question to answer is : How do we adapt the protocol interactions to be compatible with tools such as OpenAPI.

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

Membership - email alias "P3T"

James Dempsey - james.dempsey@csiro.au - Lead (DAL Ch) - P3T Lead
Dave Morris - dave@metagrid.co.uk
Kim Gillies - kgillies@tmt.org (If we are volunteering to help with creating service APIs in OPENAPI, I would participate)

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Gregory Dubois Feldman - gpdf@ipac.caltech.edu

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Gregory Dubois Felsmann - gpdf@ipac.caltech.edu

Grégory Mantelet - gregory.mantelet@astro.unistra.fr (DAL V Ch)
Janet Evans - janet@cfa.harvard.edu
Jesus Salgado - jesus.salgado@skao.int (GWS Ch)
Joshua Fraustro - jfraustro@stsci.edu (sharing pydantic/pydantic-xml models)
Marco Molinaro - marco.molinaro@inaf.it
Rick Ebert - rick.ebert@caltech.edu (NED) anything that helps to standardize datamodel/semantics
Paul Harrison - paul.harrison@manchester.ac.uk
Sara Bertocco - sara.bertocco@inaf.it (GWS V Ch)
Theresa Dower - dower@stsci.edu (work on open sourcing the pydantic model code in recent MAST TAP services.)
Tom Donaldson - tdonaldson@stsci.edu
Adrian Damian - adrian.damian@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Brian Major - brian.major@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Russ Alberry - eagle@eyrie.org

Initial Plan forward

Setup a wiki & mail list
Meet over 4 months ... Jan - April (once a month)
Plan to meet in Sydney 2 days (Thu/Fri, May 16/17) prior to IVOA that starts on Sunday (discussed with Simon/he can do it)
May Interop : May 20-24; TCG mtg: May 19

Standards Involved (1st up!)

CS
UWS
TAP
VOSpace

OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)

https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-openapi - UWS OpenAPI spec (WIP)
https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-models - Pydantic python models
https://github.com/pahjbo/DataModelPlayground/tree/interface_models - defining the data models in VO-DML with automatic java and python code generation.

Related GitHub issues (add yours)

Meetings

22 Jan 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes - IVOA_22Jan_PTTT.pdf
26 Feb 2024 at 20:00 UTC - yopad shared notes (will expire April 2024) - IVOA_22Jan_PTTT.pdf
Mon 25 Mar 2024 20:00 UTC

References

OpenAPIs - https://www.openapis.org
Frossie's talk at Bologna in GWS2 - https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpMay2023GWS
Joshua's talk in Bologna in DAL: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2023DAL/mast-tapservice-fraustro.pdf
Simbad ConeSearch service I presented in Bologna: https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/cone/help/
Notes of the DAL sessions with volunteer list for the Tiger Team at the end of the doc: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpNov2023DAL/DAL_1.pdf

From Tucson DAL session YoPAD

Modernisation of protocols - improve compatability with modern web dev tools
GDF: Still very interested in modern definition of protocols/APIs (e..g JSON/ OpenAPI) to assist service implementors to use modern tools. High priority for Rubin

FB: How would that look like

GDF: Way more services than clients - clients have resources to stay up to date - would need to update clients to support new services while supporting old services. New services would be json based

GDF: Suggest a tiger team as no one service can do this alone

GM: Have used microsservices with json to send votable in the new SIMBAD's ConeSearch service

GDF: About service interaction not votable format change - so how UWS works. Really hard to implement UWS in contemporary

JD: Is OpenAPI a useful step?

Tim: Is there support for json? Yes, then presumably some would be intersted in volunteering.

RE: NED already has json behind the scenes and easier to convert json

DM: Suggest updating standards as defining the data model and then have an examples of the json implementation as well as XML. Don't want to be talking in 10 years about how to convert away from json!

Joshua Fraustro: MAST has a model of the UWS interactions - need management approval to make them open source and share.

Tim: Use Pydantic and FastAPI too - very happy with them

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Revision 192024-03-07 - JamesDempsey

META TOPICPARENT	name="IvoaTCG"

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

The Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team was formed in Tucson at the Interop meeting in Nov 2023. The aim is to address the question of compatibility of the DAL protocols (and by implication protocols such as UWS) with modern web development tools. A number of people volunteered to form a tiger team to work on this.

The recommendations being examined would mostly be in DAL and GWS (e.g., TAP, SIA2, SODA, UWS) so will need to be a cross WG effort. A question to answer is : How do we adapt the protocol interactions to be compatible with tools such as OpenAPI.

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

Membership - email alias "P3T"

James Dempsey - james.dempsey@csiro.au - Lead (DAL Ch) - P3T Lead
Dave Morris - dave@metagrid.co.uk
Kim Gillies - kgillies@tmt.org (If we are volunteering to help with creating service APIs in OPENAPI, I would participate)
Gregory Dubois Feldman - gpdf@ipac.caltech.edu
Grégory Mantelet - gregory.mantelet@astro.unistra.fr (DAL V Ch)
Janet Evans - janet@cfa.harvard.edu
Jesus Salgado - jesus.salgado@skao.int (GWS Ch)
Joshua Fraustro - jfraustro@stsci.edu (sharing pydantic/pydantic-xml models)
Marco Molinaro - marco.molinaro@inaf.it
Rick Ebert - rick.ebert@caltech.edu (NED) anything that helps to standardize datamodel/semantics
Paul Harrison - paul.harrison@manchester.ac.uk
Sara Bertocco - sara.bertocco@inaf.it (GWS V Ch)
Theresa Dower - dower@stsci.edu (work on open sourcing the pydantic model code in recent MAST TAP services.)
Tom Donaldson - tdonaldson@stsci.edu
Adrian Damian - adrian.damian@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Brian Major - brian.major@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Russ Alberry - eagle@eyrie.org

Initial Plan forward

Setup a wiki & mail list
Meet over 4 months ... Jan - April (once a month)
Plan to meet in Sydney 2 days (Thu/Fri, May 16/17) prior to IVOA that starts on Sunday (discussed with Simon/he can do it)
May Interop : May 20-24; TCG mtg: May 19

Standards Involved (1st up!)

CS
UWS
TAP
VOSpace

OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)

https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-openapi - UWS OpenAPI spec (WIP)
https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-models - Pydantic python models
https://github.com/pahjbo/DataModelPlayground/tree/interface_models - defining the data models in VO-DML with automatic java and python code generation.

Related GitHub issues (add yours)

Meetings

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Mon 25 Mar 2024 20:00 UTC

References

OpenAPIs - https://www.openapis.org
Frossie's talk at Bologna in GWS2 - https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpMay2023GWS
Joshua's talk in Bologna in DAL: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2023DAL/mast-tapservice-fraustro.pdf
Simbad ConeSearch service I presented in Bologna: https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/cone/help/
Notes of the DAL sessions with volunteer list for the Tiger Team at the end of the doc: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpNov2023DAL/DAL_1.pdf

From Tucson DAL session YoPAD

Modernisation of protocols - improve compatability with modern web dev tools
GDF: Still very interested in modern definition of protocols/APIs (e..g JSON/ OpenAPI) to assist service implementors to use modern tools. High priority for Rubin

FB: How would that look like

GDF: Way more services than clients - clients have resources to stay up to date - would need to update clients to support new services while supporting old services. New services would be json based

GDF: Suggest a tiger team as no one service can do this alone

GM: Have used microsservices with json to send votable in the new SIMBAD's ConeSearch service

GDF: About service interaction not votable format change - so how UWS works. Really hard to implement UWS in contemporary

JD: Is OpenAPI a useful step?

Tim: Is there support for json? Yes, then presumably some would be intersted in volunteering.

RE: NED already has json behind the scenes and easier to convert json

DM: Suggest updating standards as defining the data model and then have an examples of the json implementation as well as XML. Don't want to be talking in 10 years about how to convert away from json!

Joshua Fraustro: MAST has a model of the UWS interactions - need management approval to make them open source and share.

Tim: Use Pydantic and FastAPI too - very happy with them

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  META TOPICPARENT 
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 Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T) 

The Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team was formed in Tucson at the Interop meeting in Nov 2023. The aim is to address the question of compatibility of the DAL protocols (and by implication protocols such as UWS) with modern web development tools. A number of people volunteered to form a tiger team to work on this.

The recommendations being examined would mostly be in DAL and GWS (e.g., TAP, SIA2, SODA, UWS) so will need to be a cross WG effort. A question to answer is : How do we adapt the protocol interactions to be compatible with tools such as OpenAPI.

 
  Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T) 
  Membership - email alias "P3T"
   Meetings (reverse order)
   High-Level Roadmap
   OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)
   Related GitHub issues (add yours)
   References
 
 

 Membership - email alias "P3T" 
 
 James Dempsey - james.dempsey@csiro.au - Lead (DAL Ch) - P3T Lead
  Dave Morris - dave@metagrid.co.uk
  Kim Gillies - kgillies@tmt.org (If we are volunteering to help with creating service APIs in OPENAPI, I would participate)
  Gregory Dubois Feldman - gpdf@ipac.caltech.edu
  Grégory Mantelet - gregory.mantelet@astro.unistra.fr (DAL V Ch)
  Janet Evans - janet@cfa.harvard.edu
  Jesus Salgado - jesus.salgado@skao.int (GWS Ch)
  Joshua Fraustro - jfraustro@stsci.edu (sharing pydantic/pydantic-xml models)
  Marco Molinaro - marco.molinaro@inaf.it
  Rick Ebert - rick.ebert@caltech.edu (NED) anything that helps to standardize datamodel/semantics
  Paul Harrison - paul.harrison@manchester.ac.uk
  Sara Bertocco - sara.bertocco@inaf.it (GWS V Ch)
  Theresa Dower - dower@stsci.edu (work on open sourcing the pydantic model code in recent MAST TAP services.)
  Tom Donaldson - tdonaldson@stsci.edu
  Adrian Damian - adrian.damian@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
  Brian Major - brian.major@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
  Russ Alberry - eagle@eyrie.org
 
 Initial Plan forward 
 
 Setup a wiki & mail list
  Meet over 4 months ... Jan - April (once a month)
  Plan to meet in Sydney 2 days (Thu/Fri, May 16/17) prior to IVOA that starts on Sunday (discussed with Simon/he can do it)
  May Interop : May 20-24; TCG mtg: May 19
 
 Standards Involved (1st up!) 
 
 CS
  UWS
  TAP
  VOSpace
 
 OpenAPI Project Links (add yours) 
 
 https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-openapi - UWS OpenAPI spec (WIP)
  https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-models - Pydantic python models
  https://github.com/pahjbo/DataModelPlayground/tree/interface_models - defining the data models in VO-DML with automatic java and python code generation.
 
 Related GitHub issues (add yours) 
 
 new xtype="json"
  Include YAML as well as JSON
  Update VOTable to preserve spaces
  Update VOTable to handle UTF-8
 

 Meetings
- META TOPICPARENT
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  References 
 
 OpenAPIs - https://www.openapis.org
  Frossie's talk at Bologna in GWS2 - https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpMay2023GWS
  Joshua's talk in Bologna in DAL: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2023DAL/mast-tapservice-fraustro.pdf
  Simbad ConeSearch service I presented in Bologna: https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/cone/help/
  Notes of the DAL sessions with volunteer list for the Tiger Team at the end of the doc: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpNov2023DAL/DAL_1.pdf
 
 From Tucson DAL session YoPAD 
 
 Modernisation of protocols - improve compatability with modern web dev tools GDF: Still very interested in modern definition of protocols/APIs (e..g JSON/ OpenAPI) to assist service implementors to use modern tools. High priority for Rubin
 FB: How would that look like
 GDF: Way more services than clients - clients have resources to stay up to date - would need to update clients to support new services while supporting old services. New services would be json based
 GDF: Suggest a tiger team as no one service can do this alone
 GM: Have used microsservices with json to send votable in the new SIMBAD's ConeSearch service
 GDF: About service interaction not votable format change - so how UWS works. Really hard to implement UWS in contemporary
 JD: Is OpenAPI a useful step?
 Tim: Is there support for json? Yes, then presumably some would be intersted in volunteering.
 RE: NED already has json behind the scenes and easier to convert json
 DM: Suggest updating standards as defining the data model and then have an examples of the json implementation as well as XML. Don't want to be talking in 10 years about how to convert away from json!
 Joshua Fraustro: MAST has a model of the UWS interactions - need management approval to make them open source and share.
 Tim: Use Pydantic and FastAPI too - very happy with them
  
 

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Revision 172024-02-14 - JanetEvans

META TOPICPARENT	name="IvoaTCG"

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

The Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team was formed in Tucson at the Interop meeting in Nov 2023. The aim is to address the question of compatibility of the DAL protocols (and by implication protocols such as UWS) with modern web development tools. A number of people volunteered to form a tiger team to work on this.

The recommendations being examined would mostly be in DAL and GWS (e.g., TAP, SIA2, SODA, UWS) so will need to be a cross WG effort. A question to answer is : How do we adapt the protocol interactions to be compatible with tools such as OpenAPI.

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

Membership - email alias "P3T"

James Dempsey - james.dempsey@csiro.au - Lead (DAL Ch) - P3T Lead
Dave Morris - dave@metagrid.co.uk
Kim Gillies - kgillies@tmt.org (If we are volunteering to help with creating service APIs in OPENAPI, I would participate)
Gregory Dubois Feldman - gpdf@ipac.caltech.edu
Grégory Mantelet - gregory.mantelet@astro.unistra.fr (DAL V Ch)
Janet Evans - janet@cfa.harvard.edu
Jesus Salgado - jesus.salgado@skao.int (GWS Ch)
Joshua Fraustro - jfraustro@stsci.edu (sharing pydantic/pydantic-xml models)
Marco Molinaro - marco.molinaro@inaf.it
Rick Ebert - rick.ebert@caltech.edu (NED) anything that helps to standardize datamodel/semantics
Paul Harrison - paul.harrison@manchester.ac.uk
Sara Bertocco - sara.bertocco@inaf.it (GWS V Ch)
Theresa Dower - dower@stsci.edu (work on open sourcing the pydantic model code in recent MAST TAP services.)
Tom Donaldson - tdonaldson@stsci.edu
Adrian Damian - adrian.damian@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Brian Major - brian.major@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca

Added:

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>

Russ Alberry - eagle@eyrie.org

Initial Plan forward

Setup a wiki & mail list
Meet over 4 months ... Jan - April (once a month)
Plan to meet in Sydney 2 days (Thu/Fri, May 16/17) prior to IVOA that starts on Sunday (discussed with Simon/he can do it)
May Interop : May 20-24; TCG mtg: May 19

Standards Involved (1st up!)

CS
UWS
TAP
VOSpace

OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)

https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-openapi - UWS OpenAPI spec (WIP)
https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-models - Pydantic python models
https://github.com/pahjbo/DataModelPlayground/tree/interface_models - defining the data models in VO-DML with automatic java and python code generation.

Related GitHub issues (add yours)

Meetings

22 Jan - yopad shared notes - PDF TBA

References

OpenAPIs - https://www.openapis.org
Frossie's talk at Bologna in GWS2 - https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpMay2023GWS
Joshua's talk in Bologna in DAL: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2023DAL/mast-tapservice-fraustro.pdf
Simbad ConeSearch service I presented in Bologna: https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/cone/help/
Notes of the DAL sessions with volunteer list for the Tiger Team at the end of the doc: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpNov2023DAL/DAL_1.pdf

From Tucson DAL session YoPAD

Modernisation of protocols - improve compatability with modern web dev tools
GDF: Still very interested in modern definition of protocols/APIs (e..g JSON/ OpenAPI) to assist service implementors to use modern tools. High priority for Rubin

FB: How would that look like

GDF: Way more services than clients - clients have resources to stay up to date - would need to update clients to support new services while supporting old services. New services would be json based

GDF: Suggest a tiger team as no one service can do this alone

GM: Have used microsservices with json to send votable in the new SIMBAD's ConeSearch service

GDF: About service interaction not votable format change - so how UWS works. Really hard to implement UWS in contemporary

JD: Is OpenAPI a useful step?

Tim: Is there support for json? Yes, then presumably some would be intersted in volunteering.

RE: NED already has json behind the scenes and easier to convert json

DM: Suggest updating standards as defining the data model and then have an examples of the json implementation as well as XML. Don't want to be talking in 10 years about how to convert away from json!

Joshua Fraustro: MAST has a model of the UWS interactions - need management approval to make them open source and share.

Tim: Use Pydantic and FastAPI too - very happy with them

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Revision 162024-01-23 - BrianMajor

META TOPICPARENT	name="IvoaTCG"

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

The Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team was formed in Tucson at the Interop meeting in Nov 2023. The aim is to address the question of compatibility of the DAL protocols (and by implication protocols such as UWS) with modern web development tools. A number of people volunteered to form a tiger team to work on this.

The recommendations being examined would mostly be in DAL and GWS (e.g., TAP, SIA2, SODA, UWS) so will need to be a cross WG effort. A question to answer is : How do we adapt the protocol interactions to be compatible with tools such as OpenAPI.

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

Membership - email alias "P3T"

James Dempsey - james.dempsey@csiro.au - Lead (DAL Ch) - P3T Lead
Dave Morris - dave@metagrid.co.uk
Kim Gillies - kgillies@tmt.org (If we are volunteering to help with creating service APIs in OPENAPI, I would participate)
Gregory Dubois Feldman - gpdf@ipac.caltech.edu
Grégory Mantelet - gregory.mantelet@astro.unistra.fr (DAL V Ch)
Janet Evans - janet@cfa.harvard.edu
Jesus Salgado - jesus.salgado@skao.int (GWS Ch)
Joshua Fraustro - jfraustro@stsci.edu (sharing pydantic/pydantic-xml models)
Marco Molinaro - marco.molinaro@inaf.it
Rick Ebert - rick.ebert@caltech.edu (NED) anything that helps to standardize datamodel/semantics
Paul Harrison - paul.harrison@manchester.ac.uk
Sara Bertocco - sara.bertocco@inaf.it (GWS V Ch)
Theresa Dower - dower@stsci.edu (work on open sourcing the pydantic model code in recent MAST TAP services.)
Tom Donaldson - tdonaldson@stsci.edu
Adrian Damian - adrian.damian@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca

Added:

>
>

Brian Major - brian.major@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca

Initial Plan forward

Setup a wiki & mail list
Meet over 4 months ... Jan - April (once a month)
Plan to meet in Sydney 2 days (Thu/Fri, May 16/17) prior to IVOA that starts on Sunday (discussed with Simon/he can do it)
May Interop : May 20-24; TCG mtg: May 19

Standards Involved (1st up!)

CS
UWS
TAP
VOSpace

OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)

https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-openapi - UWS OpenAPI spec (WIP)
https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-models - Pydantic python models
https://github.com/pahjbo/DataModelPlayground/tree/interface_models - defining the data models in VO-DML with automatic java and python code generation.

Related GitHub issues (add yours)

Meetings

Changed:

<
<

22 Jan - yopad shared notes - PDF TBA

>
>

22 Jan - yopad shared notes - PDF TBA

References

OpenAPIs - https://www.openapis.org
Frossie's talk at Bologna in GWS2 - https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpMay2023GWS
Joshua's talk in Bologna in DAL: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2023DAL/mast-tapservice-fraustro.pdf
Simbad ConeSearch service I presented in Bologna: https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/cone/help/
Notes of the DAL sessions with volunteer list for the Tiger Team at the end of the doc: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpNov2023DAL/DAL_1.pdf

From Tucson DAL session YoPAD

Modernisation of protocols - improve compatability with modern web dev tools
GDF: Still very interested in modern definition of protocols/APIs (e..g JSON/ OpenAPI) to assist service implementors to use modern tools. High priority for Rubin

FB: How would that look like

GDF: Way more services than clients - clients have resources to stay up to date - would need to update clients to support new services while supporting old services. New services would be json based

GDF: Suggest a tiger team as no one service can do this alone

GM: Have used microsservices with json to send votable in the new SIMBAD's ConeSearch service

GDF: About service interaction not votable format change - so how UWS works. Really hard to implement UWS in contemporary

JD: Is OpenAPI a useful step?

Tim: Is there support for json? Yes, then presumably some would be intersted in volunteering.

RE: NED already has json behind the scenes and easier to convert json

DM: Suggest updating standards as defining the data model and then have an examples of the json implementation as well as XML. Don't want to be talking in 10 years about how to convert away from json!

Joshua Fraustro: MAST has a model of the UWS interactions - need management approval to make them open source and share.

Tim: Use Pydantic and FastAPI too - very happy with them

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Revision 152024-01-22 - DaveMorris

META TOPICPARENT	name="IvoaTCG"

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

The Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team was formed in Tucson at the Interop meeting in Nov 2023. The aim is to address the question of compatibility of the DAL protocols (and by implication protocols such as UWS) with modern web development tools. A number of people volunteered to form a tiger team to work on this.

Changed:

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The recommendations being examined would mostly be in DAL and GWS (e.g., TAP, SIA2, SODA, UWS) so will need to be a cross WG effort. A question to answer is : How do we adapt the protocol interactions to be compatible with tools such as OpenAPI.

>
>

The recommendations being examined would mostly be in DAL and GWS (e.g., TAP, SIA2, SODA, UWS) so will need to be a cross WG effort. A question to answer is : How do we adapt the protocol interactions to be compatible with tools such as OpenAPI.

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

Membership - email alias "P3T"

James Dempsey - james.dempsey@csiro.au - Lead (DAL Ch) - P3T Lead
Dave Morris - dave@metagrid.co.uk
Kim Gillies - kgillies@tmt.org (If we are volunteering to help with creating service APIs in OPENAPI, I would participate)
Gregory Dubois Feldman - gpdf@ipac.caltech.edu
Grégory Mantelet - gregory.mantelet@astro.unistra.fr (DAL V Ch)
Janet Evans - janet@cfa.harvard.edu
Jesus Salgado - jesus.salgado@skao.int (GWS Ch)
Joshua Fraustro - jfraustro@stsci.edu (sharing pydantic/pydantic-xml models)
Marco Molinaro - marco.molinaro@inaf.it
Rick Ebert - rick.ebert@caltech.edu (NED) anything that helps to standardize datamodel/semantics
Paul Harrison - paul.harrison@manchester.ac.uk
Sara Bertocco - sara.bertocco@inaf.it (GWS V Ch)
Theresa Dower - dower@stsci.edu (work on open sourcing the pydantic model code in recent MAST TAP services.)
Tom Donaldson - tdonaldson@stsci.edu
Adrian Damian - adrian.damian@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca

Initial Plan forward

Setup a wiki & mail list
Meet over 4 months ... Jan - April (once a month)
Plan to meet in Sydney 2 days (Thu/Fri, May 16/17) prior to IVOA that starts on Sunday (discussed with Simon/he can do it)
May Interop : May 20-24; TCG mtg: May 19

Standards Involved (1st up!)

CS
UWS
TAP
VOSpace

OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)

https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-openapi - UWS OpenAPI spec (WIP)
https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-models - Pydantic python models
https://github.com/pahjbo/DataModelPlayground/tree/interface_models - defining the data models in VO-DML with automatic java and python code generation.

Related GitHub issues (add yours)

Meetings

22 Jan - yopad shared notes - PDF TBA

References

OpenAPIs - https://www.openapis.org
Frossie's talk at Bologna in GWS2 - https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpMay2023GWS
Joshua's talk in Bologna in DAL: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2023DAL/mast-tapservice-fraustro.pdf
Simbad ConeSearch service I presented in Bologna: https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/cone/help/
Notes of the DAL sessions with volunteer list for the Tiger Team at the end of the doc: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpNov2023DAL/DAL_1.pdf

From Tucson DAL session YoPAD

Modernisation of protocols - improve compatability with modern web dev tools
GDF: Still very interested in modern definition of protocols/APIs (e..g JSON/ OpenAPI) to assist service implementors to use modern tools. High priority for Rubin

FB: How would that look like

GDF: Way more services than clients - clients have resources to stay up to date - would need to update clients to support new services while supporting old services. New services would be json based

GDF: Suggest a tiger team as no one service can do this alone

GM: Have used microsservices with json to send votable in the new SIMBAD's ConeSearch service

GDF: About service interaction not votable format change - so how UWS works. Really hard to implement UWS in contemporary

JD: Is OpenAPI a useful step?

Tim: Is there support for json? Yes, then presumably some would be intersted in volunteering.

RE: NED already has json behind the scenes and easier to convert json

DM: Suggest updating standards as defining the data model and then have an examples of the json implementation as well as XML. Don't want to be talking in 10 years about how to convert away from json!

Joshua Fraustro: MAST has a model of the UWS interactions - need management approval to make them open source and share.

Tim: Use Pydantic and FastAPI too - very happy with them

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Revision 142024-01-22 - JamesDempsey

META TOPICPARENT	name="IvoaTCG"

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

The Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team was formed in Tucson at the Interop meeting in Nov 2023. The aim is to address the question of compatibility of the DAL protocols (and by implication protocols such as UWS) with modern web development tools. A number of people volunteered to form a tiger team to work on this.

The recommendations being examined would mostly be in DAL and GWS (e.g., TAP, SIA2, SODA, UWS) so will need to be a cross WG effort. A question to answer is : How do we adapt the protocol interactions to be compatible with tools such as OpenAPI.

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

Membership - email alias "P3T"

James Dempsey - james.dempsey@csiro.au - Lead (DAL Ch) - P3T Lead
Dave Morris - dave@metagrid.co.uk
Kim Gillies - kgillies@tmt.org (If we are volunteering to help with creating service APIs in OPENAPI, I would participate)
Gregory Dubois Feldman - gpdf@ipac.caltech.edu
Grégory Mantelet - gregory.mantelet@astro.unistra.fr (DAL V Ch)
Janet Evans - janet@cfa.harvard.edu
Jesus Salgado - jesus.salgado@skao.int (GWS Ch)
Joshua Fraustro - jfraustro@stsci.edu (sharing pydantic/pydantic-xml models)
Marco Molinaro - marco.molinaro@inaf.it
Rick Ebert - rick.ebert@caltech.edu (NED) anything that helps to standardize datamodel/semantics
Paul Harrison - paul.harrison@manchester.ac.uk
Sara Bertocco - sara.bertocco@inaf.it (GWS V Ch)
Theresa Dower - dower@stsci.edu (work on open sourcing the pydantic model code in recent MAST TAP services.)
Tom Donaldson - tdonaldson@stsci.edu
Adrian Damian - adrian.damian@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca

Initial Plan forward

Setup a wiki & mail list
Meet over 4 months ... Jan - April (once a month)
Plan to meet in Sydney 2 days (Thu/Fri, May 16/17) prior to IVOA that starts on Sunday (discussed with Simon/he can do it)
May Interop : May 20-24; TCG mtg: May 19

Standards Involved (1st up!)

CS
UWS
TAP
VOSpace

OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)

https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-openapi - UWS OpenAPI spec (WIP)
https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-models - Pydantic python models
https://github.com/pahjbo/DataModelPlayground/tree/interface_models - defining the data models in VO-DML with automatic java and python code generation.

Related GitHub issues (add yours)

Added:

>
>

Meetings

22 Jan - yopad shared notes - PDF TBA

References

OpenAPIs - https://www.openapis.org
Frossie's talk at Bologna in GWS2 - https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpMay2023GWS
Joshua's talk in Bologna in DAL: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2023DAL/mast-tapservice-fraustro.pdf
Simbad ConeSearch service I presented in Bologna: https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/cone/help/
Notes of the DAL sessions with volunteer list for the Tiger Team at the end of the doc: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpNov2023DAL/DAL_1.pdf

From Tucson DAL session YoPAD

Modernisation of protocols - improve compatability with modern web dev tools
GDF: Still very interested in modern definition of protocols/APIs (e..g JSON/ OpenAPI) to assist service implementors to use modern tools. High priority for Rubin

FB: How would that look like

GDF: Way more services than clients - clients have resources to stay up to date - would need to update clients to support new services while supporting old services. New services would be json based

GDF: Suggest a tiger team as no one service can do this alone

GM: Have used microsservices with json to send votable in the new SIMBAD's ConeSearch service

GDF: About service interaction not votable format change - so how UWS works. Really hard to implement UWS in contemporary

JD: Is OpenAPI a useful step?

Tim: Is there support for json? Yes, then presumably some would be intersted in volunteering.

RE: NED already has json behind the scenes and easier to convert json

DM: Suggest updating standards as defining the data model and then have an examples of the json implementation as well as XML. Don't want to be talking in 10 years about how to convert away from json!

Joshua Fraustro: MAST has a model of the UWS interactions - need management approval to make them open source and share.

Tim: Use Pydantic and FastAPI too - very happy with them

<-- 
 
 
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Revision 132024-01-18 - AdrianDamian

META TOPICPARENT	name="IvoaTCG"

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

The Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team was formed in Tucson at the Interop meeting in Nov 2023. The aim is to address the question of compatibility of the DAL protocols (and by implication protocols such as UWS) with modern web development tools. A number of people volunteered to form a tiger team to work on this.

The recommendations being examined would mostly be in DAL and GWS (e.g., TAP, SIA2, SODA, UWS) so will need to be a cross WG effort. A question to answer is : How do we adapt the protocol interactions to be compatible with tools such as OpenAPI.

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

Membership - email alias "P3T"

James Dempsey - james.dempsey@csiro.au - Lead (DAL Ch) - P3T Lead
Dave Morris - dave@metagrid.co.uk
Kim Gillies - kgillies@tmt.org (If we are volunteering to help with creating service APIs in OPENAPI, I would participate)
Gregory Dubois Feldman - gpdf@ipac.caltech.edu
Grégory Mantelet - gregory.mantelet@astro.unistra.fr (DAL V Ch)
Janet Evans - janet@cfa.harvard.edu
Jesus Salgado - jesus.salgado@skao.int (GWS Ch)
Joshua Fraustro - jfraustro@stsci.edu (sharing pydantic/pydantic-xml models)
Marco Molinaro - marco.molinaro@inaf.it
Rick Ebert - rick.ebert@caltech.edu (NED) anything that helps to standardize datamodel/semantics
Paul Harrison - paul.harrison@manchester.ac.uk
Sara Bertocco - sara.bertocco@inaf.it (GWS V Ch)
Theresa Dower - dower@stsci.edu (work on open sourcing the pydantic model code in recent MAST TAP services.)
Tom Donaldson - tdonaldson@stsci.edu

Added:

>
>

Adrian Damian - adrian.damian@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca

Initial Plan forward

Setup a wiki & mail list
Meet over 4 months ... Jan - April (once a month)
Plan to meet in Sydney 2 days (Thu/Fri, May 16/17) prior to IVOA that starts on Sunday (discussed with Simon/he can do it)
May Interop : May 20-24; TCG mtg: May 19

Standards Involved (1st up!)

CS
UWS
TAP
VOSpace

OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)

https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-openapi - UWS OpenAPI spec (WIP)
https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-models - Pydantic python models
https://github.com/pahjbo/DataModelPlayground/tree/interface_models - defining the data models in VO-DML with automatic java and python code generation.

Related GitHub issues (add yours)

References

OpenAPIs - https://www.openapis.org
Frossie's talk at Bologna in GWS2 - https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpMay2023GWS
Joshua's talk in Bologna in DAL: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2023DAL/mast-tapservice-fraustro.pdf
Simbad ConeSearch service I presented in Bologna: https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/cone/help/
Notes of the DAL sessions with volunteer list for the Tiger Team at the end of the doc: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpNov2023DAL/DAL_1.pdf

From Tucson DAL session YoPAD

Modernisation of protocols - improve compatability with modern web dev tools
GDF: Still very interested in modern definition of protocols/APIs (e..g JSON/ OpenAPI) to assist service implementors to use modern tools. High priority for Rubin

FB: How would that look like

GDF: Way more services than clients - clients have resources to stay up to date - would need to update clients to support new services while supporting old services. New services would be json based

GDF: Suggest a tiger team as no one service can do this alone

GM: Have used microsservices with json to send votable in the new SIMBAD's ConeSearch service

GDF: About service interaction not votable format change - so how UWS works. Really hard to implement UWS in contemporary

JD: Is OpenAPI a useful step?

Tim: Is there support for json? Yes, then presumably some would be intersted in volunteering.

RE: NED already has json behind the scenes and easier to convert json

DM: Suggest updating standards as defining the data model and then have an examples of the json implementation as well as XML. Don't want to be talking in 10 years about how to convert away from json!

Joshua Fraustro: MAST has a model of the UWS interactions - need management approval to make them open source and share.

Tim: Use Pydantic and FastAPI too - very happy with them

<-- 
 
 
 Set ALLOWTOPICRENAME = TWikiAdminGroup
 
 
-->

Revision 122024-01-09 - PaulHarrison

  META TOPICPARENT 
  name="IvoaTCG"  

 Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T) 

The Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team was formed in Tucson at the Interop meeting in Nov 2023. The aim is to address the question of compatibility of the DAL protocols (and by implication protocols such as UWS) with modern web development tools. A number of people volunteered to form a tiger team to work on this.

The recommendations being examined would mostly be in DAL and GWS (e.g., TAP, SIA2, SODA, UWS) so will need to be a cross WG effort. A question to answer is : How do we adapt the protocol interactions to be compatible with tools such as OpenAPI.

 
  Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T) 
  Membership - email alias "P3T"
   Meetings (reverse order)
   High-Level Roadmap
   OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)
   Related GitHub issues (add yours)
   References
 
 

 Membership - email alias "P3T" 
 
 James Dempsey - james.dempsey@csiro.au - Lead (DAL Ch) - P3T Lead
  Dave Morris - dave@metagrid.co.uk
  Kim Gillies - kgillies@tmt.org (If we are volunteering to help with creating service APIs in OPENAPI, I would participate)
  Gregory Dubois Feldman - gpdf@ipac.caltech.edu
  Grégory Mantelet - gregory.mantelet@astro.unistra.fr (DAL V Ch)
  Janet Evans - janet@cfa.harvard.edu
  Jesus Salgado - jesus.salgado@skao.int (GWS Ch)
  Joshua Fraustro - jfraustro@stsci.edu (sharing pydantic/pydantic-xml models)
  Marco Molinaro - marco.molinaro@inaf.it
  Rick Ebert - rick.ebert@caltech.edu (NED) anything that helps to standardize datamodel/semantics
  Paul Harrison - paul.harrison@manchester.ac.uk
  Sara Bertocco - sara.bertocco@inaf.it (GWS V Ch)
  Theresa Dower - dower@stsci.edu (work on open sourcing the pydantic model code in recent MAST TAP services.)
  Tom Donaldson - tdonaldson@stsci.edu
 
 Initial Plan forward 
 
 Setup a wiki & mail list
  Meet over 4 months ... Jan - April (once a month)
  Plan to meet in Sydney 2 days (Thu/Fri, May 16/17) prior to IVOA that starts on Sunday (discussed with Simon/he can do it)
  May Interop : May 20-24; TCG mtg: May 19
 
 Standards Involved (1st up!) 
 
 CS
  UWS
  TAP
  VOSpace
 
 OpenAPI Project Links (add yours) 
 
 https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-openapi - UWS OpenAPI spec (WIP)
  https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-models - Pydantic python models
- META TOPICPARENT
+  name="IvoaTCG"
-<
<
->
>
+ https://github.com/pahjbo/DataModelPlayground/tree/interface_models - defining the data models in VO-DML with automatic java and python code generation.
  Related GitHub issues (add yours) 
 
 new xtype="json"
  Include YAML as well as JSON
  Update VOTable to preserve spaces
  Update VOTable to handle UTF-8
 

 References 
 
 OpenAPIs - https://www.openapis.org
  Frossie's talk at Bologna in GWS2 - https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpMay2023GWS
  Joshua's talk in Bologna in DAL: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2023DAL/mast-tapservice-fraustro.pdf
  Simbad ConeSearch service I presented in Bologna: https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/cone/help/
  Notes of the DAL sessions with volunteer list for the Tiger Team at the end of the doc: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpNov2023DAL/DAL_1.pdf
 
 From Tucson DAL session YoPAD 
 
 Modernisation of protocols - improve compatability with modern web dev tools GDF: Still very interested in modern definition of protocols/APIs (e..g JSON/ OpenAPI) to assist service implementors to use modern tools. High priority for Rubin
 FB: How would that look like
 GDF: Way more services than clients - clients have resources to stay up to date - would need to update clients to support new services while supporting old services. New services would be json based
 GDF: Suggest a tiger team as no one service can do this alone
 GM: Have used microsservices with json to send votable in the new SIMBAD's ConeSearch service
 GDF: About service interaction not votable format change - so how UWS works. Really hard to implement UWS in contemporary
 JD: Is OpenAPI a useful step?
 Tim: Is there support for json? Yes, then presumably some would be intersted in volunteering.
 RE: NED already has json behind the scenes and easier to convert json
 DM: Suggest updating standards as defining the data model and then have an examples of the json implementation as well as XML. Don't want to be talking in 10 years about how to convert away from json!
 Joshua Fraustro: MAST has a model of the UWS interactions - need management approval to make them open source and share.
 Tim: Use Pydantic and FastAPI too - very happy with them
  
 

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Revision 112024-01-05 - TomDonaldson

META TOPICPARENT	name="IvoaTCG"

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

The Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team was formed in Tucson at the Interop meeting in Nov 2023. The aim is to address the question of compatibility of the DAL protocols (and by implication protocols such as UWS) with modern web development tools. A number of people volunteered to form a tiger team to work on this.

The recommendations being examined would mostly be in DAL and GWS (e.g., TAP, SIA2, SODA, UWS) so will need to be a cross WG effort. A question to answer is : How do we adapt the protocol interactions to be compatible with tools such as OpenAPI.

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

Membership - email alias "P3T"

James Dempsey - james.dempsey@csiro.au - Lead (DAL Ch) - P3T Lead
Dave Morris - dave@metagrid.co.uk
Kim Gillies - kgillies@tmt.org (If we are volunteering to help with creating service APIs in OPENAPI, I would participate)
Gregory Dubois Feldman - gpdf@ipac.caltech.edu
Grégory Mantelet - gregory.mantelet@astro.unistra.fr (DAL V Ch)
Janet Evans - janet@cfa.harvard.edu
Jesus Salgado - jesus.salgado@skao.int (GWS Ch)
Joshua Fraustro - jfraustro@stsci.edu (sharing pydantic/pydantic-xml models)
Marco Molinaro - marco.molinaro@inaf.it
Rick Ebert - rick.ebert@caltech.edu (NED) anything that helps to standardize datamodel/semantics
Paul Harrison - paul.harrison@manchester.ac.uk
Sara Bertocco - sara.bertocco@inaf.it (GWS V Ch)
Theresa Dower - dower@stsci.edu (work on open sourcing the pydantic model code in recent MAST TAP services.)
Tom Donaldson - tdonaldson@stsci.edu

Initial Plan forward

Setup a wiki & mail list
Meet over 4 months ... Jan - April (once a month)
Plan to meet in Sydney 2 days (Thu/Fri, May 16/17) prior to IVOA that starts on Sunday (discussed with Simon/he can do it)
May Interop : May 20-24; TCG mtg: May 19

Standards Involved (1st up!)

CS
UWS
TAP
VOSpace

OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)

Added:

>
>

https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-openapi - UWS OpenAPI spec (WIP)
https://github.com/spacetelescope/vo-models - Pydantic python models

Deleted:

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Related GitHub issues (add yours)

References

OpenAPIs - https://www.openapis.org
Frossie's talk at Bologna in GWS2 - https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpMay2023GWS
Joshua's talk in Bologna in DAL: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2023DAL/mast-tapservice-fraustro.pdf
Simbad ConeSearch service I presented in Bologna: https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/cone/help/
Notes of the DAL sessions with volunteer list for the Tiger Team at the end of the doc: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpNov2023DAL/DAL_1.pdf

From Tucson DAL session YoPAD

Modernisation of protocols - improve compatability with modern web dev tools
GDF: Still very interested in modern definition of protocols/APIs (e..g JSON/ OpenAPI) to assist service implementors to use modern tools. High priority for Rubin

FB: How would that look like

GDF: Way more services than clients - clients have resources to stay up to date - would need to update clients to support new services while supporting old services. New services would be json based

GDF: Suggest a tiger team as no one service can do this alone

GM: Have used microsservices with json to send votable in the new SIMBAD's ConeSearch service

GDF: About service interaction not votable format change - so how UWS works. Really hard to implement UWS in contemporary

JD: Is OpenAPI a useful step?

Tim: Is there support for json? Yes, then presumably some would be intersted in volunteering.

RE: NED already has json behind the scenes and easier to convert json

DM: Suggest updating standards as defining the data model and then have an examples of the json implementation as well as XML. Don't want to be talking in 10 years about how to convert away from json!

Joshua Fraustro: MAST has a model of the UWS interactions - need management approval to make them open source and share.

Tim: Use Pydantic and FastAPI too - very happy with them

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Revision 102024-01-02 - JanetEvans

  META TOPICPARENT 
  name="IvoaTCG"  

 Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T) 

The Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team was formed in Tucson at the Interop meeting in Nov 2023. The aim is to address the question of compatibility of the DAL protocols (and by implication protocols such as UWS) with modern web development tools. A number of people volunteered to form a tiger team to work on this.

The recommendations being examined would mostly be in DAL and GWS (e.g., TAP, SIA2, SODA, UWS) so will need to be a cross WG effort. A question to answer is : How do we adapt the protocol interactions to be compatible with tools such as OpenAPI.

 
  Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T) 
  Membership - email alias "P3T"
   Meetings (reverse order)
   High-Level Roadmap
   OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)
   Related GitHub issues (add yours)
   References
 
 

 Membership - email alias "P3T" 
 
 James Dempsey - james.dempsey@csiro.au - Lead (DAL Ch) - P3T Lead
  Dave Morris - dave@metagrid.co.uk
  Kim Gillies - kgillies@tmt.org (If we are volunteering to help with creating service APIs in OPENAPI, I would participate)
  Gregory Dubois Feldman - gpdf@ipac.caltech.edu
  Grégory Mantelet - gregory.mantelet@astro.unistra.fr (DAL V Ch)
  Janet Evans - janet@cfa.harvard.edu
  Jesus Salgado - jesus.salgado@skao.int (GWS Ch)
  Joshua Fraustro - jfraustro@stsci.edu (sharing pydantic/pydantic-xml models)
  Marco Molinaro - marco.molinaro@inaf.it
  Rick Ebert - rick.ebert@caltech.edu (NED) anything that helps to standardize datamodel/semantics
  Paul Harrison - paul.harrison@manchester.ac.uk
  Sara Bertocco - sara.bertocco@inaf.it (GWS V Ch)
  Theresa Dower - dower@stsci.edu (work on open sourcing the pydantic model code in recent MAST TAP services.)
  Tom Donaldson - tdonaldson@stsci.edu
 
 Initial Plan forward 
 
 Setup a wiki & mail list
  Meet over 4 months ... Jan - April (once a month)
- META TOPICPARENT
+  name="IvoaTCG"
-<
<
+ Plan to meet in Sydney 2 days (perhaps Thu/Fri) prior to IVOA that starts on Sunday (discussed with Simon/is doable)
->
>
+ Plan to meet in Sydney 2 days (Thu/Fri, May 16/17) prior to IVOA that starts on Sunday (discussed with Simon/he can do it)
->
>
+ May Interop : May 20-24; TCG mtg: May 19
  Standards Involved (1st up!) 
 
 CS
  UWS
  TAP
  VOSpace
 
 OpenAPI Project Links (add yours) 
 
 
 

 Related GitHub issues (add yours) 
 
 new xtype="json"
  Include YAML as well as JSON
  Update VOTable to preserve spaces
  Update VOTable to handle UTF-8
 

 References 
 
 OpenAPIs - https://www.openapis.org
  Frossie's talk at Bologna in GWS2 - https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpMay2023GWS
  Joshua's talk in Bologna in DAL: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2023DAL/mast-tapservice-fraustro.pdf
  Simbad ConeSearch service I presented in Bologna: https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/cone/help/
  Notes of the DAL sessions with volunteer list for the Tiger Team at the end of the doc: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpNov2023DAL/DAL_1.pdf
 
 From Tucson DAL session YoPAD 
 
 Modernisation of protocols - improve compatability with modern web dev tools GDF: Still very interested in modern definition of protocols/APIs (e..g JSON/ OpenAPI) to assist service implementors to use modern tools. High priority for Rubin
 FB: How would that look like
 GDF: Way more services than clients - clients have resources to stay up to date - would need to update clients to support new services while supporting old services. New services would be json based
 GDF: Suggest a tiger team as no one service can do this alone
 GM: Have used microsservices with json to send votable in the new SIMBAD's ConeSearch service
 GDF: About service interaction not votable format change - so how UWS works. Really hard to implement UWS in contemporary
 JD: Is OpenAPI a useful step?
 Tim: Is there support for json? Yes, then presumably some would be intersted in volunteering.
 RE: NED already has json behind the scenes and easier to convert json
 DM: Suggest updating standards as defining the data model and then have an examples of the json implementation as well as XML. Don't want to be talking in 10 years about how to convert away from json!
 Joshua Fraustro: MAST has a model of the UWS interactions - need management approval to make them open source and share.
 Tim: Use Pydantic and FastAPI too - very happy with them
  
 

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Revision 92024-01-02 - JanetEvans

  META TOPICPARENT 
  name="IvoaTCG"  

 Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T) 

The Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team was formed in Tucson at the Interop meeting in Nov 2023. The aim is to address the question of compatibility of the DAL protocols (and by implication protocols such as UWS) with modern web development tools. A number of people volunteered to form a tiger team to work on this.

The recommendations being examined would mostly be in DAL and GWS (e.g., TAP, SIA2, SODA, UWS) so will need to be a cross WG effort. A question to answer is : How do we adapt the protocol interactions to be compatible with tools such as OpenAPI.

 
  Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T) 
  Membership - email alias "P3T"
   Meetings (reverse order)
   High-Level Roadmap
   OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)
   Related GitHub issues (add yours)
   References
 
 

 Membership - email alias "P3T" 
 
 James Dempsey - james.dempsey@csiro.au - Lead (DAL Ch) - P3T Lead
  Dave Morris - dave@metagrid.co.uk
  Kim Gillies - kgillies@tmt.org (If we are volunteering to help with creating service APIs in OPENAPI, I would participate)
  Gregory Dubois Feldman - gpdf@ipac.caltech.edu
  Grégory Mantelet - gregory.mantelet@astro.unistra.fr (DAL V Ch)
  Janet Evans - janet@cfa.harvard.edu
  Jesus Salgado - jesus.salgado@skao.int (GWS Ch)
  Joshua Fraustro - jfraustro@stsci.edu (sharing pydantic/pydantic-xml models)
  Marco Molinaro - marco.molinaro@inaf.it
  Rick Ebert - rick.ebert@caltech.edu (NED) anything that helps to standardize datamodel/semantics
  Paul Harrison - paul.harrison@manchester.ac.uk
  Sara Bertocco - sara.bertocco@inaf.it (GWS V Ch)
  Theresa Dower - dower@stsci.edu (work on open sourcing the pydantic model code in recent MAST TAP services.)
- META TOPICPARENT
+  name="IvoaTCG"
->
>
+ Tom Donaldson - tdonaldson@stsci.edu
  Initial Plan forward 
 
 Setup a wiki & mail list
  Meet over 4 months ... Jan - April (once a month)
  Plan to meet in Sydney 2 days (perhaps Thu/Fri) prior to IVOA that starts on Sunday (discussed with Simon/is doable)
 
 Standards Involved (1st up!) 
 
 CS
  UWS
  TAP
  VOSpace
 
 OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)
-<
<
+   *
->
>
  Related GitHub issues (add yours) 
 
 new xtype="json"
  Include YAML as well as JSON
  Update VOTable to preserve spaces
  Update VOTable to handle UTF-8
-<
<
  References 
 
 OpenAPIs - https://www.openapis.org
  Frossie's talk at Bologna in GWS2 - https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpMay2023GWS
  Joshua's talk in Bologna in DAL: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2023DAL/mast-tapservice-fraustro.pdf
  Simbad ConeSearch service I presented in Bologna: https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/cone/help/
  Notes of the DAL sessions with volunteer list for the Tiger Team at the end of the doc: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpNov2023DAL/DAL_1.pdf
 
 From Tucson DAL session YoPAD 
 
 Modernisation of protocols - improve compatability with modern web dev tools GDF: Still very interested in modern definition of protocols/APIs (e..g JSON/ OpenAPI) to assist service implementors to use modern tools. High priority for Rubin
 FB: How would that look like
 GDF: Way more services than clients - clients have resources to stay up to date - would need to update clients to support new services while supporting old services. New services would be json based
 GDF: Suggest a tiger team as no one service can do this alone
 GM: Have used microsservices with json to send votable in the new SIMBAD's ConeSearch service
 GDF: About service interaction not votable format change - so how UWS works. Really hard to implement UWS in contemporary
 JD: Is OpenAPI a useful step?
 Tim: Is there support for json? Yes, then presumably some would be intersted in volunteering.
 RE: NED already has json behind the scenes and easier to convert json
 DM: Suggest updating standards as defining the data model and then have an examples of the json implementation as well as XML. Don't want to be talking in 10 years about how to convert away from json!
 Joshua Fraustro: MAST has a model of the UWS interactions - need management approval to make them open source and share.
 Tim: Use Pydantic and FastAPI too - very happy with them
  
 

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Revision 82023-12-15 - DaveMorris

  META TOPICPARENT 
  name="IvoaTCG"  

 Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T) 

The Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team was formed in Tucson at the Interop meeting in Nov 2023. The aim is to address the question of compatibility of the DAL protocols (and by implication protocols such as UWS) with modern web development tools. A number of people volunteered to form a tiger team to work on this.

The recommendations being examined would mostly be in DAL and GWS (e.g., TAP, SIA2, SODA, UWS) so will need to be a cross WG effort. A question to answer is : How do we adapt the protocol interactions to be compatible with tools such as OpenAPI.

 
  Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T) 
  Membership - email alias "P3T"
   Meetings (reverse order)
   High-Level Roadmap
   OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)
   Related GitHub issues (add yours)
   References
 
 

 Membership - email alias "P3T" 
 
 James Dempsey - james.dempsey@csiro.au - Lead (DAL Ch) - P3T Lead
  Dave Morris - dave@metagrid.co.uk
  Kim Gillies - kgillies@tmt.org (If we are volunteering to help with creating service APIs in OPENAPI, I would participate)
  Gregory Dubois Feldman - gpdf@ipac.caltech.edu
  Grégory Mantelet - gregory.mantelet@astro.unistra.fr (DAL V Ch)
  Janet Evans - janet@cfa.harvard.edu
  Jesus Salgado - jesus.salgado@skao.int (GWS Ch)
  Joshua Fraustro - jfraustro@stsci.edu (sharing pydantic/pydantic-xml models)
  Marco Molinaro - marco.molinaro@inaf.it
  Rick Ebert - rick.ebert@caltech.edu (NED) anything that helps to standardize datamodel/semantics
  Paul Harrison - paul.harrison@manchester.ac.uk
  Sara Bertocco - sara.bertocco@inaf.it (GWS V Ch)
  Theresa Dower - dower@stsci.edu (work on open sourcing the pydantic model code in recent MAST TAP services.)
 
 Initial Plan forward 
 
 Setup a wiki & mail list
  Meet over 4 months ... Jan - April (once a month)
  Plan to meet in Sydney 2 days (perhaps Thu/Fri) prior to IVOA that starts on Sunday (discussed with Simon/is doable)
 
 Standards Involved (1st up!) 
 
 CS
  UWS
  TAP
  VOSpace
 
 OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)
- META TOPICPARENT
+  name="IvoaTCG"
-<
<
->
>
+   *
->
>
+ Related GitHub issues (add yours) 
 
 new xtype="json"
  Include YAML as well as JSON
  Update VOTable to preserve spaces
  Update VOTable to handle UTF-8
  References 
 
 OpenAPIs - https://www.openapis.org
  Frossie's talk at Bologna in GWS2 - https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpMay2023GWS
  Joshua's talk in Bologna in DAL: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2023DAL/mast-tapservice-fraustro.pdf
  Simbad ConeSearch service I presented in Bologna: https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/cone/help/
  Notes of the DAL sessions with volunteer list for the Tiger Team at the end of the doc: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpNov2023DAL/DAL_1.pdf
 
 From Tucson DAL session YoPAD 
 
 Modernisation of protocols - improve compatability with modern web dev tools GDF: Still very interested in modern definition of protocols/APIs (e..g JSON/ OpenAPI) to assist service implementors to use modern tools. High priority for Rubin
 FB: How would that look like
 GDF: Way more services than clients - clients have resources to stay up to date - would need to update clients to support new services while supporting old services. New services would be json based
 GDF: Suggest a tiger team as no one service can do this alone
 GM: Have used microsservices with json to send votable in the new SIMBAD's ConeSearch service
 GDF: About service interaction not votable format change - so how UWS works. Really hard to implement UWS in contemporary
 JD: Is OpenAPI a useful step?
 Tim: Is there support for json? Yes, then presumably some would be intersted in volunteering.
 RE: NED already has json behind the scenes and easier to convert json
 DM: Suggest updating standards as defining the data model and then have an examples of the json implementation as well as XML. Don't want to be talking in 10 years about how to convert away from json!
 Joshua Fraustro: MAST has a model of the UWS interactions - need management approval to make them open source and share.
 Tim: Use Pydantic and FastAPI too - very happy with them
  
 

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 Set ALLOWTOPICRENAME = TWikiAdminGroup
 
 
-->

Revision 72023-12-15 - JanetEvans

  META TOPICPARENT 
  name="IvoaTCG"  

 Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T) 

The Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team was formed in Tucson at the Interop meeting in Nov 2023. The aim is to address the question of compatibility of the DAL protocols (and by implication protocols such as UWS) with modern web development tools. A number of people volunteered to form a tiger team to work on this.

The recommendations being examined would mostly be in DAL and GWS (e.g., TAP, SIA2, SODA, UWS) so will need to be a cross WG effort. A question to answer is : How do we adapt the protocol interactions to be compatible with tools such as OpenAPI.

 
  Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T) 
  Membership - email alias "P3T"
   Meetings (reverse order)
   High-Level Roadmap
   OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)
   Related GitHub issues (add yours)
   References
 
 

 Membership - email alias "P3T"
- META TOPICPARENT
+  name="IvoaTCG"
-<
<
+ James Dempsey - james.dempsey@csiro.au - Lead (DAL Ch)
->
>
+ James Dempsey - james.dempsey@csiro.au - Lead (DAL Ch) - P3T Lead
  Dave Morris - dave@metagrid.co.uk
  Kim Gillies - kgillies@tmt.org (If we are volunteering to help with creating service APIs in OPENAPI, I would participate)
  Gregory Dubois Feldman - gpdf@ipac.caltech.edu
  Grégory Mantelet - gregory.mantelet@astro.unistra.fr (DAL V Ch)
  Janet Evans - janet@cfa.harvard.edu
  Jesus Salgado - jesus.salgado@skao.int (GWS Ch)
  Joshua Fraustro - jfraustro@stsci.edu (sharing pydantic/pydantic-xml models)
  Marco Molinaro - marco.molinaro@inaf.it
  Rick Ebert - rick.ebert@caltech.edu (NED) anything that helps to standardize datamodel/semantics
  Paul Harrison - paul.harrison@manchester.ac.uk
  Sara Bertocco - sara.bertocco@inaf.it (GWS V Ch)
  Theresa Dower - dower@stsci.edu (work on open sourcing the pydantic model code in recent MAST TAP services.)
 
 Initial Plan forward 
 
 Setup a wiki & mail list
  Meet over 4 months ... Jan - April (once a month)
-<
<
+ Plan to meet in Sydney 2 days (perhaps Thu/Fri) prior to IVOA that starts on Sunday (needs discussion and inquiry woth Organizers/Exec)
->
>
+ Plan to meet in Sydney 2 days (perhaps Thu/Fri) prior to IVOA that starts on Sunday (discussed with Simon/is doable)
  Standards Involved (1st up!) 
 
 CS
  UWS
  TAP
  VOSpace
 
 OpenAPI Project Links (add yours) 
 
 
 
 References 
 
 OpenAPIs - https://www.openapis.org
  Frossie's talk at Bologna in GWS2 - https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpMay2023GWS
  Joshua's talk in Bologna in DAL: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2023DAL/mast-tapservice-fraustro.pdf
  Simbad ConeSearch service I presented in Bologna: https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/cone/help/
  Notes of the DAL sessions with volunteer list for the Tiger Team at the end of the doc: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpNov2023DAL/DAL_1.pdf
 
 From Tucson DAL session YoPAD 
 
 Modernisation of protocols - improve compatability with modern web dev tools GDF: Still very interested in modern definition of protocols/APIs (e..g JSON/ OpenAPI) to assist service implementors to use modern tools. High priority for Rubin
 FB: How would that look like
 GDF: Way more services than clients - clients have resources to stay up to date - would need to update clients to support new services while supporting old services. New services would be json based
 GDF: Suggest a tiger team as no one service can do this alone
 GM: Have used microsservices with json to send votable in the new SIMBAD's ConeSearch service
 GDF: About service interaction not votable format change - so how UWS works. Really hard to implement UWS in contemporary
 JD: Is OpenAPI a useful step?
 Tim: Is there support for json? Yes, then presumably some would be intersted in volunteering.
 RE: NED already has json behind the scenes and easier to convert json
 DM: Suggest updating standards as defining the data model and then have an examples of the json implementation as well as XML. Don't want to be talking in 10 years about how to convert away from json!
 Joshua Fraustro: MAST has a model of the UWS interactions - need management approval to make them open source and share.
 Tim: Use Pydantic and FastAPI too - very happy with them
  
 

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Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

The Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team was formed in Tucson at the Interop meeting in Nov 2023. The aim is to address the question of compatibility of the DAL protocols (and by implication protocols such as UWS) with modern web development tools. A number of people volunteered to form a tiger team to work on this.

The recommendations being examined would mostly be in DAL and GWS (e.g., TAP, SIA2, SODA, UWS) so will need to be a cross WG effort. A question to answer is : How do we adapt the protocol interactions to be compatible with tools such as OpenAPI.

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

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Membership - email alias "P3T"

James Dempsey - james.dempsey@csiro.au - Lead (DAL Ch)
Dave Morris - dave@metagrid.co.uk
Kim Gillies - kgillies@tmt.org (If we are volunteering to help with creating service APIs in OPENAPI, I would participate)
Gregory Dubois Feldman - gpdf@ipac.caltech.edu
Grégory Mantelet - gregory.mantelet@astro.unistra.fr (DAL V Ch)
Janet Evans - janet@cfa.harvard.edu
Jesus Salgado - jesus.salgado@skao.int (GWS Ch)
Joshua Fraustro - jfraustro@stsci.edu (sharing pydantic/pydantic-xml models)
Marco Molinaro - marco.molinaro@inaf.it
Rick Ebert - rick.ebert@caltech.edu (NED) anything that helps to standardize datamodel/semantics
Paul Harrison - paul.harrison@manchester.ac.uk
Sara Bertocco - sara.bertocco@inaf.it (GWS V Ch)
Theresa Dower - dower@stsci.edu (work on open sourcing the pydantic model code in recent MAST TAP services.)

Initial Plan forward

Setup a wiki & mail list
Meet over 4 months ... Jan - April (once a month)
Plan to meet in Sydney 2 days (perhaps Thu/Fri) prior to IVOA that starts on Sunday (needs discussion and inquiry woth Organizers/Exec)

Standards Involved (1st up!)

CS
UWS
TAP
VOSpace

OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)

References

OpenAPIs - https://www.openapis.org
Frossie's talk at Bologna in GWS2 - https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpMay2023GWS
Joshua's talk in Bologna in DAL: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2023DAL/mast-tapservice-fraustro.pdf
Simbad ConeSearch service I presented in Bologna: https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/cone/help/
Notes of the DAL sessions with volunteer list for the Tiger Team at the end of the doc: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpNov2023DAL/DAL_1.pdf

From Tucson DAL session YoPAD

Modernisation of protocols - improve compatability with modern web dev tools
GDF: Still very interested in modern definition of protocols/APIs (e..g JSON/ OpenAPI) to assist service implementors to use modern tools. High priority for Rubin

FB: How would that look like

GDF: Way more services than clients - clients have resources to stay up to date - would need to update clients to support new services while supporting old services. New services would be json based

GDF: Suggest a tiger team as no one service can do this alone

GM: Have used microsservices with json to send votable in the new SIMBAD's ConeSearch service

GDF: About service interaction not votable format change - so how UWS works. Really hard to implement UWS in contemporary

JD: Is OpenAPI a useful step?

Tim: Is there support for json? Yes, then presumably some would be intersted in volunteering.

RE: NED already has json behind the scenes and easier to convert json

DM: Suggest updating standards as defining the data model and then have an examples of the json implementation as well as XML. Don't want to be talking in 10 years about how to convert away from json!

Joshua Fraustro: MAST has a model of the UWS interactions - need management approval to make them open source and share.

Tim: Use Pydantic and FastAPI too - very happy with them

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The Protocol Modernization Tiger Team was formed in Tucson at the Interop meeting in Nov 2023. The aim is to address the question of compatibility of the DAL protocols (and by implication protocols such as UWS) with modern web development tools. A number of people volunteered to form a tiger team to work on this.

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The Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team was formed in Tucson at the Interop meeting in Nov 2023. The aim is to address the question of compatibility of the DAL protocols (and by implication protocols such as UWS) with modern web development tools. A number of people volunteered to form a tiger team to work on this.

The recommendations being examined would mostly be in DAL and GWS (e.g., TAP, SIA2, SODA, UWS) so will need to be a cross WG effort. A question to answer is : How do we adapt the protocol interactions to be compatible with tools such as OpenAPI.

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

Membership - email alias "PM2T"

James Dempsey - james.dempsey@csiro.au - Lead (DAL Ch)
Dave Morris - dave@metagrid.co.uk
Kim Gillies - kgillies@tmt.org (If we are volunteering to help with creating service APIs in OPENAPI, I would participate)
Gregory Dubois Feldman - gpdf@ipac.caltech.edu
Grégory Mantelet - gregory.mantelet@astro.unistra.fr (DAL V Ch)
Janet Evans - janet@cfa.harvard.edu
Jesus Salgado - jesus.salgado@skao.int (GWS Ch)
Joshua Fraustro - jfraustro@stsci.edu (sharing pydantic/pydantic-xml models)
Marco Molinaro - marco.molinaro@inaf.it
Rick Ebert - rick.ebert@caltech.edu (NED) anything that helps to standardize datamodel/semantics
Paul Harrison - paul.harrison@manchester.ac.uk
Sara Bertocco - sara.bertocco@inaf.it (GWS V Ch)
Theresa Dower - dower@stsci.edu (work on open sourcing the pydantic model code in recent MAST TAP services.)

Initial Plan forward

Setup a wiki & mail list
Meet over 4 months ... Jan - April (once a month)
Plan to meet in Sydney 2 days (perhaps Thu/Fri) prior to IVOA that starts on Sunday (needs discussion and inquiry woth Organizers/Exec)

Standards Involved (1st up!)

CS
UWS
TAP
VOSpace

OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)

References

OpenAPIs - https://www.openapis.org
Frossie's talk at Bologna in GWS2 - https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpMay2023GWS
Joshua's talk in Bologna in DAL: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2023DAL/mast-tapservice-fraustro.pdf
Simbad ConeSearch service I presented in Bologna: https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/cone/help/
Notes of the DAL sessions with volunteer list for the Tiger Team at the end of the doc: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpNov2023DAL/DAL_1.pdf

From Tucson DAL session YoPAD

Modernisation of protocols - improve compatability with modern web dev tools
GDF: Still very interested in modern definition of protocols/APIs (e..g JSON/ OpenAPI) to assist service implementors to use modern tools. High priority for Rubin

FB: How would that look like

GDF: Way more services than clients - clients have resources to stay up to date - would need to update clients to support new services while supporting old services. New services would be json based

GDF: Suggest a tiger team as no one service can do this alone

GM: Have used microsservices with json to send votable in the new SIMBAD's ConeSearch service

GDF: About service interaction not votable format change - so how UWS works. Really hard to implement UWS in contemporary

JD: Is OpenAPI a useful step?

Tim: Is there support for json? Yes, then presumably some would be intersted in volunteering.

RE: NED already has json behind the scenes and easier to convert json

DM: Suggest updating standards as defining the data model and then have an examples of the json implementation as well as XML. Don't want to be talking in 10 years about how to convert away from json!

Joshua Fraustro: MAST has a model of the UWS interactions - need management approval to make them open source and share.

Tim: Use Pydantic and FastAPI too - very happy with them

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META TOPICPARENT	name="IvoaTCG"

Protocol Modernization Tiger Team (PM2T)

The Protocol Modernization Tiger Team was formed in Tucson at the Interop meeting in Nov 2023. The aim is to address the question of compatibility of the DAL protocols (and by implication protocols such as UWS) with modern web development tools. A number of people volunteered to form a tiger team to work on this.

The recommendations being examined would mostly be in DAL and GWS (e.g., TAP, SIA2, SODA, UWS) so will need to be a cross WG effort. A question to answer is : How do we adapt the protocol interactions to be compatible with tools such as OpenAPI.

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

Membership - email alias "PM2T"

James Dempsey - james.dempsey@csiro.au - Lead (DAL Ch)
Dave Morris - dave@metagrid.co.uk

Changed:

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Gilles Landais - kgillies@tmt.org (If we are volunteering to help with creating service APIs in OPENAPI, I would participate)

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Kim Gillies - kgillies@tmt.org (If we are volunteering to help with creating service APIs in OPENAPI, I would participate)

Gregory Dubois Feldman - gpdf@ipac.caltech.edu
Grégory Mantelet - gregory.mantelet@astro.unistra.fr (DAL V Ch)
Janet Evans - janet@cfa.harvard.edu
Jesus Salgado - jesus.salgado@skao.int (GWS Ch)
Joshua Fraustro - jfraustro@stsci.edu (sharing pydantic/pydantic-xml models)
Marco Molinaro - marco.molinaro@inaf.it
Rick Ebert - rick.ebert@caltech.edu (NED) anything that helps to standardize datamodel/semantics
Paul Harrison - paul.harrison@manchester.ac.uk
Sara Bertocco - sara.bertocco@inaf.it (GWS V Ch)
Theresa Dower - dower@stsci.edu (work on open sourcing the pydantic model code in recent MAST TAP services.)

Initial Plan forward

Setup a wiki & mail list
Meet over 4 months ... Jan - April (once a month)
Plan to meet in Sydney 2 days (perhaps Thu/Fri) prior to IVOA that starts on Sunday (needs discussion and inquiry woth Organizers/Exec)

Standards Involved (1st up!)

CS
UWS
TAP
VOSpace

OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)

References

OpenAPIs - https://www.openapis.org
Frossie's talk at Bologna in GWS2 - https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpMay2023GWS
Joshua's talk in Bologna in DAL: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2023DAL/mast-tapservice-fraustro.pdf
Simbad ConeSearch service I presented in Bologna: https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/cone/help/
Notes of the DAL sessions with volunteer list for the Tiger Team at the end of the doc: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpNov2023DAL/DAL_1.pdf

From Tucson DAL session YoPAD

Modernisation of protocols - improve compatability with modern web dev tools
GDF: Still very interested in modern definition of protocols/APIs (e..g JSON/ OpenAPI) to assist service implementors to use modern tools. High priority for Rubin

FB: How would that look like

GDF: Way more services than clients - clients have resources to stay up to date - would need to update clients to support new services while supporting old services. New services would be json based

GDF: Suggest a tiger team as no one service can do this alone

GM: Have used microsservices with json to send votable in the new SIMBAD's ConeSearch service

GDF: About service interaction not votable format change - so how UWS works. Really hard to implement UWS in contemporary

JD: Is OpenAPI a useful step?

Tim: Is there support for json? Yes, then presumably some would be intersted in volunteering.

RE: NED already has json behind the scenes and easier to convert json

DM: Suggest updating standards as defining the data model and then have an examples of the json implementation as well as XML. Don't want to be talking in 10 years about how to convert away from json!

Joshua Fraustro: MAST has a model of the UWS interactions - need management approval to make them open source and share.

Tim: Use Pydantic and FastAPI too - very happy with them

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  META TOPICPARENT 
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 Protocol Modernization Tiger Team (PM2T) 

The Protocol Modernization Tiger Team was formed in Tucson at the Interop meeting in Nov 2023. The aim is to address the question of compatibility of the DAL protocols (and by implication protocols such as UWS) with modern web development tools. A number of people volunteered to form a tiger team to work on this.

The recommendations being examined would mostly be in DAL and GWS (e.g., TAP, SIA2, SODA, UWS) so will need to be a cross WG effort. A question to answer is : How do we adapt the protocol interactions to be compatible with tools such as OpenAPI.

 
  Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T) 
  Membership - email alias "P3T"
   Meetings (reverse order)
   High-Level Roadmap
   OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)
   Related GitHub issues (add yours)
   References
 
 

 Membership - email alias "PM2T" 
 
 James Dempsey - james.dempsey@csiro.au - Lead (DAL Ch)
  Dave Morris - dave@metagrid.co.uk
  Gilles Landais - kgillies@tmt.org (If we are volunteering to help with creating service APIs in OPENAPI, I would participate)
  Gregory Dubois Feldman - gpdf@ipac.caltech.edu
  Grégory Mantelet - gregory.mantelet@astro.unistra.fr (DAL V Ch)
  Janet Evans - janet@cfa.harvard.edu
  Jesus Salgado - jesus.salgado@skao.int (GWS Ch)
  Joshua Fraustro - jfraustro@stsci.edu (sharing pydantic/pydantic-xml models)
  Marco Molinaro - marco.molinaro@inaf.it
  Rick Ebert - rick.ebert@caltech.edu (NED) anything that helps to standardize datamodel/semantics
  Paul Harrison - paul.harrison@manchester.ac.uk
  Sara Bertocco - sara.bertocco@inaf.it (GWS V Ch)
  Theresa Dower - dower@stsci.edu (work on open sourcing the pydantic model code in recent MAST TAP services.)
 
 Initial Plan forward 
 
 Setup a wiki & mail list
  Meet over 4 months ... Jan - April (once a month)
  Plan to meet in Sydney 2 days (perhaps Thu/Fri) prior to IVOA that starts on Sunday (needs discussion and inquiry woth Organizers/Exec)
 
 Standards Involved (1st up!) 
 
 CS
  UWS
  TAP
  VOSpace
 
 OpenAPI Project Links (add yours) 
 
 
 
 References 
 
 OpenAPIs - https://www.openapis.org
  Frossie's talk at Bologna in GWS2 - https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpMay2023GWS
  Joshua's talk in Bologna in DAL: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2023DAL/mast-tapservice-fraustro.pdf
  Simbad ConeSearch service I presented in Bologna: https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/cone/help/
  Notes of the DAL sessions with volunteer list for the Tiger Team at the end of the doc: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpNov2023DAL/DAL_1.pdf
 
 From Tucson DAL session YoPAD 
 
 Modernisation of protocols - improve compatability with modern web dev tools GDF: Still very interested in modern definition of protocols/APIs (e..g JSON/ OpenAPI) to assist service implementors to use modern tools. High priority for Rubin
 FB: How would that look like
 GDF: Way more services than clients - clients have resources to stay up to date - would need to update clients to support new services while supporting old services. New services would be json based
 GDF: Suggest a tiger team as no one service can do this alone
 GM: Have used microsservices with json to send votable in the new SIMBAD's ConeSearch service
 GDF: About service interaction not votable format change - so how UWS works. Really hard to implement UWS in contemporary
 JD: Is OpenAPI a useful step?
 Tim: Is there support for json? Yes, then presumably some would be intersted in volunteering.
 RE: NED already has json behind the scenes and easier to convert json
 DM: Suggest updating standards as defining the data model and then have an examples of the json implementation as well as XML. Don't want to be talking in 10 years about how to convert away from json!
 Joshua Fraustro: MAST has a model of the UWS interactions - need management approval to make them open source and share.
 Tim: Use Pydantic and FastAPI too - very happy with them
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META TOPICPARENT	name="IvoaTCG"

Protocol Modernization Tiger Team (PM2T)

The Protocol Modernization Tiger Team was formed in Tucson at the Interop meeting in Nov 2023. The aim is to address the question of compatibility of the DAL protocols (and by implication protocols such as UWS) with modern web development tools. A number of people volunteered to form a tiger team to work on this.

The recommendations being examined would mostly be in DAL and GWS (e.g., TAP, SIA2, SODA, UWS) so will need to be a cross WG effort. A question to answer is : How do we adapt the protocol interactions to be compatible with tools such as OpenAPI.

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

Membership - email alias "PM2T"

James Dempsey - james.dempsey@csiro.au - Lead (DAL Ch)
Dave Morris - dave@metagrid.co.uk
Gilles Landais - kgillies@tmt.org (If we are volunteering to help with creating service APIs in OPENAPI, I would participate)
Gregory Dubois Feldman - gpdf@ipac.caltech.edu
Grégory Mantelet - gregory.mantelet@astro.unistra.fr (DAL V Ch)
Janet Evans - janet@cfa.harvard.edu
Jesus Salgado - jesus.salgado@skao.int (GWS Ch)
Joshua Fraustro - jfraustro@stsci.edu (sharing pydantic/pydantic-xml models)
Marco Molinaro - marco.molinaro@inaf.it
Rick Ebert - rick.ebert@caltech.edu (NED) anything that helps to standardize datamodel/semantics
Paul Harrison - paul.harrison@manchester.ac.uk
Sara Bertocco - sara.bertocco@inaf.it (GWS V Ch)
Theresa Dower - dower@stsci.edu (work on open sourcing the pydantic model code in recent MAST TAP services.)

Initial Plan forward

Setup a wiki & mail list
Meet over 4 months ... Jan - April (once a month)
Plan to meet in Sydney 2 days (perhaps Thu/Fri) prior to IVOA that starts on Sunday (needs discussion and inquiry woth Organizers/Exec)

Standards Involved (1st up!)

Added:

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CS

UWS

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VOSpace

TAP

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VOSpace

OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)

References

OpenAPIs - https://www.openapis.org
Frossie's talk at Bologna in GWS2 - https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpMay2023GWS
Joshua's talk in Bologna in DAL: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2023DAL/mast-tapservice-fraustro.pdf
Simbad ConeSearch service I presented in Bologna: https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/cone/help/
Notes of the DAL sessions with volunteer list for the Tiger Team at the end of the doc: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpNov2023DAL/DAL_1.pdf

From Tucson DAL session YoPAD

Modernisation of protocols - improve compatability with modern web dev tools
GDF: Still very interested in modern definition of protocols/APIs (e..g JSON/ OpenAPI) to assist service implementors to use modern tools. High priority for Rubin

FB: How would that look like

GDF: Way more services than clients - clients have resources to stay up to date - would need to update clients to support new services while supporting old services. New services would be json based

GDF: Suggest a tiger team as no one service can do this alone

GM: Have used microsservices with json to send votable in the new SIMBAD's ConeSearch service

GDF: About service interaction not votable format change - so how UWS works. Really hard to implement UWS in contemporary

JD: Is OpenAPI a useful step?

Tim: Is there support for json? Yes, then presumably some would be intersted in volunteering.

RE: NED already has json behind the scenes and easier to convert json

DM: Suggest updating standards as defining the data model and then have an examples of the json implementation as well as XML. Don't want to be talking in 10 years about how to convert away from json!

Joshua Fraustro: MAST has a model of the UWS interactions - need management approval to make them open source and share.

Tim: Use Pydantic and FastAPI too - very happy with them

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Revision 12023-12-08 - JanetEvans

META TOPICPARENT	name="IvoaTCG"

Protocol Modernization Tiger Team (PM2T)

The Protocol Modernization Tiger Team was formed in Tucson at the Interop meeting in Nov 2023. The aim is to address the question of compatibility of the DAL protocols (and by implication protocols such as UWS) with modern web development tools. A number of people volunteered to form a tiger team to work on this.

The recommendations being examined would mostly be in DAL and GWS (e.g., TAP, SIA2, SODA, UWS) so will need to be a cross WG effort. A question to answer is : How do we adapt the protocol interactions to be compatible with tools such as OpenAPI.

Protocol Transitioning Tiger Team (P3T)

Membership - email alias "PM2T"

James Dempsey - james.dempsey@csiro.au - Lead (DAL Ch)
Dave Morris - dave@metagrid.co.uk
Gilles Landais - kgillies@tmt.org (If we are volunteering to help with creating service APIs in OPENAPI, I would participate)
Gregory Dubois Feldman - gpdf@ipac.caltech.edu
Grégory Mantelet - gregory.mantelet@astro.unistra.fr (DAL V Ch)
Janet Evans - janet@cfa.harvard.edu
Jesus Salgado - jesus.salgado@skao.int (GWS Ch)
Joshua Fraustro - jfraustro@stsci.edu (sharing pydantic/pydantic-xml models)
Marco Molinaro - marco.molinaro@inaf.it
Rick Ebert - rick.ebert@caltech.edu (NED) anything that helps to standardize datamodel/semantics
Paul Harrison - paul.harrison@manchester.ac.uk
Sara Bertocco - sara.bertocco@inaf.it (GWS V Ch)
Theresa Dower - dower@stsci.edu (work on open sourcing the pydantic model code in recent MAST TAP services.)

Initial Plan forward

Setup a wiki & mail list
Meet over 4 months ... Jan - April (once a month)
Plan to meet in Sydney 2 days (perhaps Thu/Fri) prior to IVOA that starts on Sunday (needs discussion and inquiry woth Organizers/Exec)

Standards Involved (1st up!)

UWS
VOSpace
TAP

OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)

References

OpenAPIs - https://www.openapis.org
Frossie's talk at Bologna in GWS2 - https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpMay2023GWS
Joshua's talk in Bologna in DAL: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2023DAL/mast-tapservice-fraustro.pdf
Simbad ConeSearch service I presented in Bologna: https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/cone/help/
Notes of the DAL sessions with volunteer list for the Tiger Team at the end of the doc: https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpNov2023DAL/DAL_1.pdf

From Tucson DAL session YoPAD

Modernisation of protocols - improve compatability with modern web dev tools
GDF: Still very interested in modern definition of protocols/APIs (e..g JSON/ OpenAPI) to assist service implementors to use modern tools. High priority for Rubin

FB: How would that look like

GDF: Way more services than clients - clients have resources to stay up to date - would need to update clients to support new services while supporting old services. New services would be json based

GDF: Suggest a tiger team as no one service can do this alone

GM: Have used microsservices with json to send votable in the new SIMBAD's ConeSearch service

GDF: About service interaction not votable format change - so how UWS works. Really hard to implement UWS in contemporary

JD: Is OpenAPI a useful step?

Tim: Is there support for json? Yes, then presumably some would be intersted in volunteering.

RE: NED already has json behind the scenes and easier to convert json

DM: Suggest updating standards as defining the data model and then have an examples of the json implementation as well as XML. Don't want to be talking in 10 years about how to convert away from json!

Joshua Fraustro: MAST has a model of the UWS interactions - need management approval to make them open source and share.

Tim: Use Pydantic and FastAPI too - very happy with them

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Meetings (reverse order)

High-Level Roadmap

OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)

Related GitHub issues (add yours)

References

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OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)

Related GitHub issues (add yours)

References

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OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)

Related GitHub issues (add yours)

References

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High-Level Roadmap

OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)

Related GitHub issues (add yours)

References

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OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)

Related GitHub issues (add yours)

References

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Related GitHub issues (add yours)

References

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High-Level Roadmap

OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)

Related GitHub issues (add yours)

References

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High-Level Roadmap

OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)

Related GitHub issues (add yours)

References

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High-Level Roadmap

OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)

Related GitHub issues (add yours)

References

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High-Level Roadmap

OpenAPI Project Links (add yours)

Related GitHub issues (add yours)