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---+++ DCP Session minutes (Thanks to Tim for the notes)

---++++ André, Introduction

   * General overview of the session.

   * Mentions that there will be two RDA meetings before the next IVOA meeting.

---++++ Anastasia, DOI Handling at AIP 

   * Have been issuing DOIs since 2015.

   * Showed five sets of survey data.

   * Have > 200,000 DOIs

   * For example each photographic plate.

   * Have a DOI for entire data release and DOIs for each table within a data release.

   * Do allow versions but the DOI stays the same.

   * There can be a version in the DataCite metadata but you can not guarantee reproducibility.

   * Do not have the space to keep all versions around with separate DOIs.

   * "Cultural Heritage Objects"

   * Use CC0 license for data.

   * Can support users uploading curated data for publication citing.

   * Would like to have a standard way to represent DOIs in VOTable. When downloading query results would be good if results table included the DOI of the data that was queried.
      
   * Question: How does your Gaia DOI handling differ from ESACs and what relationship do you use to link them?
   * Answer: ESAC do not use DOIs.

   * Cross match tables also an issue.

   * Should use IsCopyOf or IsIdenticalTo relationship in DataCite.

   * Should also note the PrimaryCurator.
      
   * Question: How do you generate DOIs?
   * Answer: Work with DataCite.

   * Markus explains difference between CrossRef and DataCite. You have much more control if you can issue your own DataCite DOIs rather than going through a third party.

---++++ André, Tim, DOI Note

   * Explains how DCP are writing a note describing best practices for DOI usage in astronomical.

   * Suggests adding DOI to ObsCore as an `altidentifier`.

   * Some question about internal identifiers in DataCite and whether DataCite could support ivoID.

   * Question: Is URI an option?
   * Answer: Anne Raugh says that the DataCite metadata model is flexible and extra identifier styles can be requested.

   * Make clear that the note is not an IVOA recommendation.

   * It is a citable document explaining current best practice.

   * Markus tries to explain difference between Data Set and Data Collection.

   * A Data Set is a single image and is represented by ObsCore.

   * Data Collection is a collection of Data Sets and is a Resource.

   * There is a notion of Contributor.

   * Contact, Publisher, or Author preferred.

   * ORCID can be used for Author in addition to a name string.

---++++ Chenzhou, National Astronomical Data Center of China

   * China-VO has more than 20,000 users worldwide (mostly from China).

   * China created 20 national data centers in June and astronomy was one of them.

   * Required to track papers citing their data.

   * Supports full life cycle of astronomical data from applying to time to writing the paper and citing the data.

---++++ Sara, Data FAIRness through Open Science

   * Exploitation of DOIs for reproducibility.

   * CDS (Climate Model Data Services; not CDS Strasbourg!) and CADC provide services for issuing DOIs for data sets.

   * Discusses that a new version of a dataset does require a new DOI.

   * This is an open debate for large datasets (see AIP talk earlier).

   * Also useful to obtain DOIs for code (eg Zenodo from GitHub).

   * Would like to link software to the processed data => this is important for reproducibility.

   * Software and data are not sufficient for reproducibility. How do we handle this?

   * Provenance is critical because configuration of that software is required to know how you run the software to generate the data.

   * Workflows with automated pipelines are one idea but still need to store the provenance with the dataset and not the software.

   * Also what happens if an astronomer then fiddles with the data after it comes out of the pipeline.

---++++ Tim, Data Formats

   * The ADASS BoF had one major issue concerning data preservation.

   * There was a worry that the FITS compression standard is too complex and that cfitsio is the only library that implements them all.

   * Markus thinks we really need a Java library that does all the compression algorithms.

   * It would also be great if Aladin could read tile compressed FITS.

   * The other BoF topic was ObsCore.

   * Gilles from CDS suggests that there are sufficient "standard" FITS keywords for ObsCore to work.

   * Tim said that he would check whether LSST data conforms if Gilles sends him a list.

---++++ André, Machine-Readable license for Data

   * A machine readable license is strongly endorsed by RDA.
      
   * Question: Should license be in the headers of each image and downloaded table?
   * Answer: VOResource supports a license URI.

   * Markus suggests a standard info in DALI.

   * Should copyright also be included? Yes.

   * Suggestion that LSST data would come with an LSST license that denotes the redistribution limits regarding data rights.
Topic revision: r2 - 2019-10-11 - AndreSchaaff
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