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---+ IVOA Executive Committee Meeting (FM73)

*FM73 - Thu, 26 Oct 2017 - 15:30 (local time)/(18:30 UTC) - Sheraton Convention Center - Room: O'Higgins*

*Contents*
   * [[IvoaExecMeetingFM73#IVOA_Executive_Committee_Meeting][IVOA Executive Committee Meeting (FM73)]] 
      * [[IvoaExecMeetingFM73#Logistics][Logistics]]
      * [[IvoaExecMeetingFM73#Agenda][Agenda]]
      * [[IvoaExecMeetingFM73#Reports_from_the_Projects][Reports from the Projects]] 
         * [[IvoaExecMeetingFM73#Argentina_NOVA][Argentina - NOVA]]
         * [[IvoaExecMeetingFM73#ArVO][ArVO]]
         * [[IvoaExecMeetingFM73#AstroGrid][AstroGrid]]
         * [[IvoaExecMeetingFM73#Australia_VO][Australia-VO]]
         * [[IvoaExecMeetingFM73#BRAVO][BRAVO]]
         * [[IvoaExecMeetingFM73#China_VO][China-VO]]
         * [[IvoaExecMeetingFM73#ChiVO][ChiVO]]
         * [[IvoaExecMeetingFM73#CVO][CVO]]
         * [[IvoaExecMeetingFM73#Euro_VO][Euro-VO]]
         * [[IvoaExecMeetingFM73#ESAVO][ESAVO]]
         * [[IvoaExecMeetingFM73#France_VO][France VO]]
         * [[IvoaExecMeetingFM73#GAVO][GAVO]]
         * [[IvoaExecMeetingFM73#HVO][HVO]]
         * [[IvoaExecMeetingFM73#VObs_it][VObs.it]]
         * [[IvoaExecMeetingFM73#Japan_VO][Japan-VO]]
         * [[IvoaExecMeetingFM73#Ukraine_VO][Ukraine VO]]
         * [[IvoaExecMeetingFM73#USVOA][USVOA]]
         * [[IvoaExecMeetingFM73#RVO][RVO]]
         * [[IvoaExecMeetingFM73#SA3][SA^3]]
         * [[IvoaExecMeetingFM73#SVO][SVO]]
         * [[IvoaExecMeetingFM73#VO_India][VO-India]]
      * [[IvoaExecMeetingFM73#Report_from_the_TCG][Report from the TCG]]
      * [[IvoaExecMeetingFM73#Reports_from_the_WGs][Reports from the WGs]]
---++ Logistics
---+++ Thursday, Oct 26, 2017 @15:30 local time/(18:30 UTC) - Sheraton Convention Center - Room: O'Higgins

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<strong>**DRAFT*</strong> Agenda TM73*
   1 Roll Call and Agenda
   1 <span style="background-color: transparent;">Minutes of </span><a target="_top" href="http://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/IvoaRepMin/ivoa-tm72-20170926.pdf"><span style="background-color: transparent;"> TM72 </span></a>
   1 <span style="background-color: transparent;">Review of Exec </span><a target="_top" href="http://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/IvoaRepMin/actions-for-fm73-20171026.pdf"><span style="background-color: transparent;"> Actions </a> </span>
   1 Project Reports [Significant Events Only]
   1 Overall TCG status
   1 Approval of new IVOA Recommendation(s) [Standing Item]
   1 Update on Northern Spring 2018 - Victoria, Canada (May28-Jun01)
   1 Terms up for expiration (May 2018) - see list below
   1 Open Universe Meeting preparation
   1 Future Interops 
      * Northern Autumn 2018 - Washington DC (Nov 10-18 - tentative)
      * Northern Spring 2019 - Strasbourg, France
   1 AOB
   1 Date of Next Exec Meeting
   1 Review of Action Items
*IVOA Terms expirations in May 2018:*

("no extension" means the person has already been extended and term will end; "1 year extension" means a 1 year extension is available)

__Working Groups:__

   * <span style="background-color: transparent;">Applications: Pierre Fernique - Ch (no extension), Tom Donaldson (no extension) - V Ch</span>
   * <span style="background-color: transparent;">Data Access: Francois Bonnarel - Ch</span><span style="background-color: transparent;"> </span><span style="background-color: transparent;">(no extension), Marco Molinaro (no extension) </span><span style="background-color: transparent;">- V Ch</span>
   * <span style="background-color: transparent;">Registry: Markus Demleitner - Ch</span><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (no extension), Theresa Dowler</span><span style="background-color: transparent;"> </span><span style="background-color: transparent;">(1 year extension) </span><span style="background-color: transparent;">- V Ch</span>
   * <span style="background-color: transparent;">Data Model: Mark Cresitello-Dittmar - Ch</span><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (1 year extension) , Laurent Michel (1 year extension) </span><span style="background-color: transparent;">- V Ch</span>
   * <span style="background-color: transparent;">Grid & Web Services: Brian Major - Ch</span><span style="background-color: transparent;"> </span><span style="background-color: transparent;">(1 year extension),</span><span style="white-space: pre;"> </span><span style="background-color: transparent;">Guiliano Taffoni</span><span style="background-color: transparent;"> </span><span style="background-color: transparent;">(1 year extension) </span><span style="background-color: transparent;">- V Ch</span>
   * <span style="background-color: transparent;">Semantics: Mireille Louys - Ch</span><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (1 year extension), Alberto Accomazzi (1 year extension) </span><span style="background-color: transparent;">- V Ch</span>
__Interest Groups:__

   * <span style="white-space: pre;"> </span><span style="background-color: transparent;">Data Curation & Preservation: Francoise Genova (no extension) - Ch</span>
   * <span style="background-color: transparent;">Operations: Tom </span>McGlynn<span style="background-color: transparent;"> - Ch</span><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (1 year extension), Mark Taylor (1 year extension) </span><span style="background-color: transparent;">- V Ch</span>
<span style="background-color: transparent;"> __TCG:__ </span>

   * <span style="white-space: pre;"> </span><span style="background-color: transparent;">Matthew Graham - Ch, Patrick Dowler2 - V Ch</span>
<span style="background-color: transparent;"> __Exec:__ </span>

   * <span style="white-space: pre;"> </span><span style="background-color: transparent;">Pepi Fabbiano - Ch, Mark Allen - V Ch</span>

---+++ Argentina-NOVA

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---+++ ArVO

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---+++ AstroGrid

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---+++ Australia-VO

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---+++ BRAVO

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---+++ China-VO

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---+++ ChiVO

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---+++ CVO

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---+++ Euro_VO

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---+++ ESAVO

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---+++ France VO

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---+++ GAVO

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---+++ HVO

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---+++ Japan-VO

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---+++ RVO

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---+++ SA^3

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---+++ SVO

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---+++ Vo-India

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---+++ VObs.it

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---+++ Ukraine_VO
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---+++ USVOA

The USVOA met by telecon on 05Oct2017.

A face-to face meeting is planned for the January 2018 AAS.

The following are VO summaries provided by members of projects attending the telecon:

*SAO/CXC: (JE/AR/RD)*
   * <span style="font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"> </span>The Chandra archive group has patched RofR just prior to the October Interop. Several issues were reported by the Madrid group in May that will be addressed along with several enhancements/bugfixes. Release notes have been sent to the IVOA Registry maillist.
   * <span style="font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"> </span>The DataModel group has been working on STC-2.0 ... AR is updating the working draft version of the STC model to simplify the package tree names; MCD updated an alternate model to prototype new changes to facilitate usability with separate CoordSpace and CoordFrame to enable pre-canning each independently and incorporating 'shortcut' elements which represent common use- cases (eg: SkyCoord(ra,dec); OL is working on generation of sample files (STC snippets and TimeSeries) using both models for comparison.
   * <span style="font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"> </span>The Chandra archive archive operations group has been implementing MOCs of Chandra Public data. They utilized a Javascript library developed by CDS for visualization of the MOCs with Aladin Lite. A problem in the library was addressed by the CDS developers.
*NRAO: (BG)*
   * <span style="font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"> </span>The NRAO archive is in a Public Test phase. The archive is built on VO-level protocols.
   * <span style="font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"> </span>The VLA sky survey project has passed its operational readiness review and began observing on the 7th September 2017 (MDT). All raw visibility data from the first half of the first epoch, which is being observed in the VLA's B-configuration during semester2017B, are available immediately from the NRAO archive.
*STScI: (TD)*
   * <span style="font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"> </span>We worked with Caltech/IPAC-NExScI (Bruce and John) on a study of the impacts of a couple indexing techniques on DB query performance. Bruce presenting an interim report on that at the last interop and has a talk on it at the upcoming ADASS.
   * <span style="font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"> </span>I have been working a bit with the DM WG (esp. Mark, Omar, Laurent and Gerard) to discuss and study the proposed VO-DML mapping scheme. For a number of reasons, I haven&rsquo;t done as much as I want on this, but the work is ongoing.
   * <span style="font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"> </span>Theresa completed work on being able to log into the publishing registry to add or maintain your own resources. This capability has gone away with the VAO and NSCA, but is now supported via the STScI Single Sign On infrastructure. We had hoped to make that operational this week, but some system upgrades too precedence, so we&rsquo;ll do that next week before the meeting.
   * <span style="font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"> </span>In the last few months we deployed a TAP service for accessing our CAOM database that contains references to all MAST observational products.
*NAVO: (BB)*
   * <span style="font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"> </span>BB noted IRSA completed their release of archive data access using SIA2 and SSA protocols. This work completes the 3 year NAVO contract.
   * <span style="font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"> </span>There was also a NAVO proposal that was prepared in April/May that was recently approved for the next 3 years. NAVO is currently planning anoutreach session at the Jan AAS. The session will inform attendees how to access NAVO archive data with Python.
*LSST (WOM)*
   * <span style="font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"> </span>WOM said that the discussion on Big Data and LSST Use cases and comparing them to the IVOA protocols was of interest to follow up on. (Discussed in agenda item 2). He also was interested in a VOevent review and ADQL and noted that he expected a few gaps. WOM won&rsquo;t be at the IVOA meeting but 3 others from LSST will be attending.

---+++ Report from TCG _(each working/interest group can add their title and notes)_
---+++++ Data Model

   * STC: Replacement for Arnold as domain expert still needed.
   * Provenance 
      * New working draft delivered (9-22-2017)
      * Discussion on dm list shows some issues to resolve
   * VODML 
      * Most recent version delivered to IVOA repository (Oct 2017)
      * Ready for final TCG review when installed
      * Reorganized volute repository for vo-dml project
      * Will want to make a plan regarding where to install resources for data model development as tools develop more fully (ie: "How to Publish" page). For now, will use vodml twiki pages.
   * Mapping 
      * generating annotated instances of Cube, TimeSeries, STC
      * <span style="color: orangered;" class="WYSIWYG_COLOR">Hot</span> topic for this interop to decide if syntax should be simplified and where the schema should go (in VOTable, or imported independent schema)
   * <p>STC-2.0</p>
      * <p>Updated Working drafts for Coords and Measurements uploaded to volute (10-12-2017)</p>
      * <p>brings pretty current with state of 'alternate' model iterating with time series for Shanghai, plus some aesthetic packaging changes from Mapping work.</p>
      * <p>Working iterative process to optimize usability</p>
         * <p>defining 'shortcut' objects for common cases</p>
         * <p>alternate modeling choices to simplify serializations.</p>

   * Cube/Dataset 
      * exercising in context of TimeSeries
      * exercising in Mapping with Events/TimeSeries etc..
      * question/discussion regarding roadmap for Char in vo-dml model framework.
   * TimeSeries 
      * TDIG has lots of activity exploring representation of TimeSeries using Cube. 
         * Informs future ivoa model effort (eg: as Notes).
   * ObsCore1.1 
      * Errata reported Sept 2017, to be implemented

---+++++ Grid and Web Services
   * VOSpace 2.1 remains in RFC. There are 3 or 4 outstanding approvals from working group chairs. I (Brian) am also working through a few registry concerns with Markus but it seems like those will come to a close soon. I hope to have this RFC end within the next few weeks.
   * In a "Science Platforms" BoF at ADASS, the GWS and KDD working groups have been working with some of the major projects represented here to better understand the problem of "remote execution" or "code-to-data". I feel like much was learned and there is a good opportunity for the IVOA to make a positive impact on interoperability in this space.
   * No progress was made on the Group Membership Service since Shanghai.
   * GWS has 1 very full session and another combined session with KDD where we aim to have a discussion on interoperable computing infrastructure, among other KDD topics.

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---+++++ TimeDomainInterestGroup:
   * Time Series: 
      * Ongoing discussions around the discovery of time series data and the standardisation of time.
      * After Jiri's Note, several meetings in Strasbourg took place to discuss it's strengths and weaknesses (in collaboration with DM and DAL).
      * A task force team composed of some DALWG DMWG and TDIG members will be meeting in Strasbourg on the 5-6 December.
      * The TDIG wikipage has now a section on Time Series: http://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/IvoaVOEvent#Time_Series_Data
      * Setup a different email list for Time Series: time@ivoa.net since it can be confusing to ask time series people to sign up for voevent@ivoa.net.
      * Review, together with the CSP, the time series use cases to confirm we are heading in the right direction: http://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/CSPTimeSeries.
   * VOEvents: 
      * Supporting growing community of projects actively using the existing VOEvent and VTP specifications.
      * Minor updates to the VOEvent specification in response to specific use cases.
      * Maintaining backwards compatibility where possible.
      * Promoting discussions to look at discovery issues.
      * Working with next generation projects, ZTF and LSST, to develop next generation formats and protocols.
      * Not looking to change the standards at this point.
      * In 2019 we can write a document "Based on our experience of running ZTF/LSST services in production ..."

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<br /><span style="font-family: Monaco; font-size: 12px;">After the completion of the set of protocols we had to complete for the multi-d data priority, with SODA adopted as a recommandation during last interop, we are going on with the completion of new versions of standards mainly driven by feedback on first versions</span>
   * <span style="font-family: Monaco; font-size: 12px; background-color: transparent;">Several Errata have been settled and some accepted already</span>
   * <span style="font-family: Monaco; font-size: 12px; background-color: transparent;">TAP 1.1 spec has been recently upgraded to a PR version. Good discussion on the mailing list. New version will show up soon</span>
   * <span style="font-family: Monaco; font-size: 12px; background-color: transparent;">ADQL 2.1 has been revisited and a new version of the draft will be released just after Interop. It fixes the BNF grammar. PR should come soon.</span>
   * <span style="font-family: Monaco; font-size: 12px; background-color: transparent;">an SCS 1.1 version is in discussion. A new version recently released internally.</span>
   * <span style="font-family: Monaco; font-size: 12px; background-color: transparent;">The same discussion occured for SLAP 1.1. New release published internally</span>
<span style="font-family: Monaco; font-size: 12px;">First feedback is also coming on the new standards: mainly DataLink.</span>

Discussion has been intensive on TimeSeries discovery and access. This discussion is related to the DM and TDIG effort on the CSP Priority on TimeSeries. This sometimes merges with ideas on upgrades for some of the new protocols : ObsCore 1.1, SIAV2 and SODA.

---+++ Ops

   * Validation and Monitoring efforts continue at ESA, VO-Paris and HEASARC but level of support at HEASARC has been reduced due to reprioritization of NAVO funding following NASA HQ review.
   * This meeting&rsquo;s session includes regular &lsquo;weather reports&rsquo;, and status of protocol validators along with reports from VO-Chile and HEASARC on how they integrate VO protocols and services into center activities.
   * Differences between validation results of different centers are largely understood.
   * Need to consider capabilities to monitor/validate new classes of services/capabilities, e.g., DataLink, SODA
<span style="font-family: Times New Roman,Times,serif;">  +++ Semantics  </span>

<span style="font-family: Times New Roman,Times,serif;">  UCD Curation process<br /> We are setting up a new process for the maintnance of the UCD list of terms.</span><br /> <span style="font-family: Times New Roman,Times,serif;">a WD proposed by Semantics is circulating and is planned to be a PR mid december.</span><br /> <span style="font-family: Times New Roman,Times,serif;">The current version of the UCD list is a Proposed Recommendation waiting for TCG approval. </span><br /> <span style="font-family: Times New Roman,Times,serif;">This is the starting point of the new update procedure. </span><br /> <span style="font-family: Times New Roman,Times,serif;"><br />   Facilities Nomenclature: </span>

<span style="font-family: Times New Roman,Times,serif;">At the Lisa VIII meeting in Strasbourg, we had an action together with CDS documentatlists</span><br /> <span style="font-family: Times New Roman,Times,serif;">to survey the ways Telescopes and Instrument names are listed and stored. </span><br /> <span style="font-family: Times New Roman,Times,serif;">Several initiatives at data centers, journals and bibliographic services exist. It was aggreed to put these </span><br /> <span style="font-family: Times New Roman,Times,serif;">in a common repository and go forward to gather the information. </span><br /> <span style="font-family: Times New Roman,Times,serif;">The first step would be to define a unique identifiers for each facility with alternate names.</span><br /> <span style="font-family: Times New Roman,Times,serif;">, which instrument on which telescope, or space mission. </span><br /> <span style="font-family: Times New Roman,Times,serif;">The second step is to gather more information that would be available for the community</span><br /> <span style="font-family: Times New Roman,Times,serif;">A common action has started in collaboration with SSIG for spatial facilities. </span><br /> <span style="font-family: Times New Roman,Times,serif;">the PDS4 Information system has a framework we could partially re-use to create a facility repository.</span><br /> <br />   <span style="font-family: Times New Roman,Times,serif;">Gathering Vocabularies used in the IVOA specifications</span><br /> <span style="font-family: Times New Roman,Times,serif;">On going action to gather Datalink, VOResource vocabularies and Theory skos concepts under the main IVOA web page.</span><br /> <span style="font-family: Times New Roman,Times,serif;">Curation can be externalized (as Theory IG is asking for) but they should be searchable under the IVOA main page. </span>
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Topic revision: r15 - 2017-10-26 - MireilleLouys
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