ProvDayJanuary2018 < IVOA

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---+ Provenance meeting in Potsdam, Germany, 2018 January 18th to January 19th

supported by OV-France, GAVO, Paris Data Center and Asterics Project
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---++ Follow_up_meeting

hosted at Leibniz-Institute for Astrophysics, Potsdam, Germany ( [[http://www.aip.de][AIP]])

<strong>Participants<br /></strong>
| *Name* | *Organisation* | *Arrival time* | *Leaving time* |
| Kristin Riebe | AIP | 2018-01-18, 8:30 am | 2018-01-19, 5:00 pm |
| Mireille Louys | CDS/ICube Strasbourg | 2018-01-18, 9:00 am | 2018-01-19, 4:00 pm |
| Mathieu Servillat | LUTH - CNRS/ObsParis/PSL | 2018-01-18, 12:00 pm | 2018-01-19, 5:00 pm |
| Michèle Sanguillon | LUPM - CNRS | 2018-01-17, 7:00 pm | 2018-01-19, 4:00 pm |
| Francois Bonnarel  | CDS/ObAS | 2018-01-18, 8:30 am |  2018-01-19, 4:00 pm  |
| Markus Nullmeier | ARI | 2018-01-17, 7:30 pm | 2018-01-19, 2:00 pm |
| Ole Streicher | AIP | 2018-01-18, 9:30 am | 2018-01-19, 5:00 pm |
| Anastasia Galkin | AIP | 2018-01-18, 9:30 am | 2018-01-19, 5:00 pm |

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---++ Venue

Leibniz-Insitute for Astrophysics Potsdam, An der Sternwarte 16, 14482 Potsdam, Germany [[https://www.aip.de/en/institute/locations/transport/babelsberg][How to get there]]

We'll start our meeting in [[https://www.aip.de/en/institute/telephone-list/pictures/schwarzschildhaus][Schwarzschildhaus]], seminar room at the ground floor. This is the building on the left side with the long roof. There's also a sign "Empfang" pointing there. Enter the buildung, walk straight ahead, turn left after the coffee machine. The room straight ahead is the seminar room. We may later switch to another room if there are WLAN troubles.

The bus 694 arrives every 20 - 40 minutes, stop "Sternwarte" is directly at the campus.

If you arrive by plane in Berlin, you can buy a Berlin ABC ticket (3.40 Euro single trip). This covers the Potsdam public transport as well. Check out the best connection via [[http://www.bahn.de]] or [[https://www.vbb.de/en/index.html]].

We plan to have dinner at an Indian restaurant in Babelsberg at 7 pm on Thursday: http://restaurant-sagar.de/

Lunch is available at our small cantine, open from 11:30 - 14:00. They serve three different dishes each day for &lt; 5 Euros. On Friday, we could also order Pizza, e.g. from [[https://www.smileys.de/][Smileys]]. Their current lunch offer is here: [[https://www.smileys.de/bestellen-in/potsdam/kategorie/mittagstisch][Lunch offers]] (not in English, but with pictures! :-))

I'll provide some cookies for our breaks.
---++ Meeting Agenda
---+++++ Thursday, 18th January 2018
| *Time* | *Speaker* | *Title* | *Presentation file* ||
| on arrival at AIP | | Let's meet in the seminar room, have a chat, check the internet connection etc. whenever you arrive | ||
| 10:30 | | Coffee break<br />(Kristin needs to join another meeting for ~ 15 min) | ||
| 12:00 | | Lunch break | ||
| 13:00 | Kristin | IVOA Provenance - Current status | ||
| | | Discussion | ||
| | Mireille | Different levels of metadata (core, workflow, dataflow) | ||
| | Francois, Mireille | ProvTAP status | ||
| | | | ||
| | | | ||
| 18:30 | | Closing | ||
| 19:00 | | Dinner at Restaurant Sagar, Babelsberg | ||
---+++++ Friday, 19th January 2018
| *Time* | *Speaker* | *Title* | *Presentation file* ||
| 9:00 | | | ||
| | | ... | ||
| | | ... | ||
| | | ... | ||
| | | | ||
| | | | ||
| | | | ||
| 16:00 | | Closing words | ||
---++ Topics to discuss / suggestions
   * Remaining Discussion points and TODOs from http://wiki.ivoa.net/bin/view/IVOA/ObservationProvenanceDataModel
   * review comments received on the dm list since Kristin issued the document
   * review/clarify the minutes of splinter meeting at ADASS. ( I have uploaded a corrected version on the wiki page)
   * define how to build a hierarchy of the metadata we want. <br /> Usually we have the terms MUST, SHOULD, MAY to define the standard description, but here we need to define different<br />levels of description of the Provenance INFO, because some projects will want it to be compact and simple, and some<br />others would like to be fully detailed, and the intermediate cases may also happen.<br /> Could we try to define 2 or 3 levels of templates for serialising the model?
   * Data Access Layer: What to keep in the current DM document and what to describe in a DAL document 
      * TAP implementation status (Francois, Mireille)
   * Status of reference implementations

---++ Useful links:

_Add useful links here_
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I	Attachment	History	Action	Size	Date	Who	Comment
txt	MinutesmeetingProvatADASS2017-10-26.txt	r1	manage	4.0 K	2018-01-17 - 12:53	KristinRiebe	Minutes of splintermeeting @ ADASS meeting Oct 2017 ; by Mireille
txt	meetingMinutesProvenanceDayPostdam2018Jan18-19.txt	r1	manage	9.8 K	2018-01-26 - 19:06	MireilleLouys	Minutes of the meetings
Topic revision: r2 - 2018-01-26 - MireilleLouys
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