TCG Meeting - face-to-face - November 14 2024 @ 14:30 (Malta timezone) / 13:30 UTC

  • Attendees : Marco, Tom, Pierre LS, Adrian, Grégory, Joshua, Mark CD, Mathieu, Jesus, Sara, Baptiste, Sebastien, Renaud, Tess, Gilles, Gus (r), Yihan, Steve, Tamara (r), Mark K, Anne, Markus, Pierre F, Pat, Janet, Francesca, Vandana, Simon
  • Regrets : Rafael

Agenda

  • (standing item): documents on track
    • RFC
      • VOTable-1.5 - RFC page -- RFC responses and document pull request during this meeting
      • VOEvent-2.1 - RFC page -- Needs registry part
    • EN
      • UCDList-1.6 - PEN released - vote -- Will vote at next meeting so that we have a chance to read it.
      • IVOAArchitecture-2.1 - sent to Exec - will poke for approval in ~2 hours -- Approved by exec!
      • UDF-catalogue-1.2 - approved & available on the doc repo
    • Errata & VEPs
      • VEP-016 - status
      • -- Can have a date and DOI for registry record that ADS can pick up. Markus recommends waiting for ADS implementation. No timeline known so will can inquire again in a couple months.

  • November 2024 Interoperability Meeting (15-17 November, Malta)
    • quick final check of the schedule
    • -- Discussed whether RAIG and Ops should trade rooms, but will leave rooms and schedule unchanged.
    • TCG opening - prepare & stick to the time

  • P3T - highlights in view of the plenary -- Talks will be short to allow time for discussion

  • IVOA web static pages - report & pitch
    • -- Status: not prfect but not worse than old pages, so let's roll it out and let people submit issues and fixes.

  • in the program
    • highlights on what's the expected sessions' outcome
    • Apps:
      • evolution of HiPS and MOC, VOTable
      • start to discuss parquet for big tables and how to handle meta data
      • MIVOT handling of COOSYS use cases
      • several talks about applications
    • DAL:
      • Hear multiple TAP approaches and try to converge
    • DM:
      • How we're going to integrate various models (CAOM, Radio, ...)
    • GSW/DSP:
      • Aligning with P3T
      • SSO-next
    • Semantics:
      • Vocabulary updates (including maybe some removals)
      • Observation Facilities vocabulary
    • Registry:
      • Usage of protocols by country
      • NOIRLab feedback, VOResource 1.2 RFC to start
      • How to write registry record
      • Q from Baptiste: (Not just registry, but) how can we track the usage of terms? Some may not be being used, but can we really know?
    • DCP:
      • citation
      • trustworthy observatory
      • curation of telescpope instrument
      • DOIs for Vizier
      • bibliographic interfaces
    • KDIG:
      • Jointly with GWS, AI in archives and services
    • Ops:
      • Weather report and types of errors.
      • Room for additional topics which could be added before the Sunday session.
    • Radio:
      • Obscore extension status and issues.
    • SSIG:
      • (Joint with semantics) PDS4 ==> EPNCore
    • TDIG: Rafael cannot continue as chair. Pierre F will stay on as vice chair. Looking for new chair.

  • schedule w.r.t roadmaps (cherry picked) comparison
    • frequency axis MOC -- No recent work towards standardization
    • P3T impact on DAL roadmap -- TAP
    • DAP -- Some light discussion on cone search
    • LineTAP? -- Need second impl., Definitely open questions. SLAP is dead? Maybe reture LineTAP as well, or freeze it until it's shown to be used. Stay tuned.
    • Observational Facilities vocabulary -- covered in sematics
    • IHDEA connection
    • UCD as a vocabulary
      • Do we need to change the vocab representation?
      • Since we are rebuilding the website and the document repository, what about vocabs? (see https://www.ivoa.net/rdf/).
      • Process is git pull, make install builds the statis file for the website. Happens through ssh tunnel to do the web page updates.
        • Suggestions about alternatives such as github actions (or other CI techniques). No conclusions.

  • news to consider
    • ASDF
      • impact/usefulness w.r.t. IVOA
        • how different from FITS friendship
        • externally managed standard (sw based one)
          • collaborate and try to contribute towards a community standard
          • envision future "EN-like" connection/binding (why would it be different than the .parquet case? what did we do for HiPS?, ...)
    • Comments:
      • Don't have a data model for the metadata
      • It's an external standard, so we don't want it internally.
      • Our interest seems to be primarily in the metadata.
      • Maybe what we want is mapping the metadata we manage to what can be represented in ASDF (and other formats).

  • open topics/actions
    • astronet.ru publishing registry issue
      • In July we were told 3-4 month delay. Last news is that problem is not resolved, but may be by the end of the year.
    • GWS - DSP renaming: decision
      • Marco will put renaming to exec.

  • AOB
    • Janet will be formally asking exec for High Energy Interest Group

  • Date for the next TCG vconf
    • December 2024:
      • (week 9-13) Tuesday 10 or Thursday 12
      • (week 16-20): Tuesday 17 or Wednesday 18,or Thursday 19
    • Time of day:
      • 13:00 or 14:00 UTC
      • 20:00 or 21:00 UTC
      • 23:00 UTC?
    • 15 TCG members are in CET
    • Consensus: Wednesday, December 18, 14:00 UTC

TCG meeting dates, as well as other relevant meetings, should always be reported also at the IVOA Events page.

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