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---+ TCG Meeting - face-to-face - November 14 2024 @ 14:30 (Malta timezone) / 13:30 UTC

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   * _Attendees_ : &lt;Tom forgot to record this&gt;
   * _Regrets_ : Rafael

* [[https://inaf-it.zoom.us/j/81226537216?pwd=GxxEOjlu4K9bLFuakaRBEOeehHeUaJ.1][vconf link for remote participation]]*

---++ Agenda

   * (standing item): documents on track
      * RFC
         * VOTable-1.5 - [[VOTable15RFC][RFC page]] *-- RFC responses and document pull request during this meeting*
         * VOEvent-2.1 - [[VOEventV21RFC][RFC page]] *-- Needs registry part*
      * EN
         * UCDList-1.6 - PEN released - vote *-- Will vote at next meeting so that we have a chance to read it.*
         * IVOAArchitecture-2.1 - sent to Exec - will poke for approval in ~2 hours *-- Approved by exec!*
         * UDF-catalogue-1.2 - approved & available on the doc repo
      * Errata & VEPs
         * VEP-016 - status
         * *-- Can have a date and DOI for registry record that ADS can pick up. Markus recommends waiting for ADS implementation. No timeline known so will can inquire again in a couple months.*

   * November 2024 Interoperability Meeting (15-17 November, Malta)
      * quick final check of the schedule
      * *-- Discussed whether RAIG and Ops should trade rooms, but will leave rooms and schedule unchanged.*
      * TCG opening - prepare & stick to the time

   * P3T - highlights in view of the plenary *-- Talks will be short to allow time for discussion*

   * IVOA web static pages - report & pitch
      * *-- Status: not prfect but not worse than old pages, so let's roll it out and let people submit issues and fixes.*

   * in the program
      * highlights on what's the expected sessions' outcome
      * *Apps:*
         * *evolution of HiPS and MOC, VOTable*
         * *start to discuss parquet for big tables and how to handle meta data*
         * *MIVOT handling of COOSYS use cases*
         * *several talks about applications*
      * *DAL:*
         * *Hear multiple TAP approaches and try to converge*
      * *DM:*
         * *How we're going to integrate various models (CAOM, Radio, ...)*
      * *GSW/DSP:*
         * *Aligning with P3T*
         * *SSO-next*
      * *Semantics:*
         * *Vocabulary updates (including maybe some removals)*
         * *Observation Facilities vocabulary*
      * *Registry:*
         * *Usage of protocols by country*
         * *NOIRLab feedback, VOResource 1.2 RFC to start*
         * *How to write registry record*
         * *Q from Baptiste: (Not just registry, but) how can we track the usage of terms? Some may not be being used, but can we really know?*
      * *DCP:*
         * *citation*
         * *trustworthy observatory*
         * *curation of telescpope instrument*
         * *DOIs for Vizier*
         * *bibliographic interfaces*
      * *KDIG:*
         * *Jointly with GWS, AI in archives and services*
      * *Ops:*
         * *Weather report and types of errors.*
         * *Room for additional topics which could be added before the Sunday session.*
      * *Radio:*
         * *Obscore extension status and issues.*
      * *SSIG:*
         * *(Joint with semantics) PDS4 ==&gt; EPNCore*
      * *TDIG: Rafael cannot continue as chair. Pierre F will stay on as vice chair. Looking for new chair.*

   * schedule w.r.t roadmaps (cherry picked) comparison
      * frequency axis MOC *-- No recent work towards standardization*
      * P3T impact on DAL roadmap *-- TAP*
      * DAP *-- Some light discussion on cone search*
      * LineTAP?<b> -- Need second impl., Definitely open questions. SLAP is dead? Maybe reture LineTAP as well, or freeze it until it's shown to be used. Stay tuned.</b>
      * Observational Facilities vocabulary *-- covered in sematics*
      * IHDEA connection
      * UCD as a vocabulary
         * *Do we need to change the vocab representation?*
         * *Since we are rebuilding the website and the document repository, what about vocabs? (see https://www.ivoa.net/rdf/).*
         * *Process is git pull, make install builds the statis file for the website. Happens through ssh tunnel to do the web page updates.*
            * *Suggestions about alternatives such as github actions (or other CI techniques). No conclusions.*

   * news to consider
      * ASDF
         * impact/usefulness w.r.t. IVOA
            * how different from FITS friendship
            * externally managed standard (sw based one)
               * collaborate and try to contribute towards a community standard
               * envision future "EN-like" connection/binding (why would it be different than the .parquet case? what did we do for HiPS?, ...)
      * *Comments:*
         * *Don't have a data model for the metadata*
         * *It's an external standard, so we don't want it internally.*
         * *Our interest seems to be primarily in the metadata.*
         * *Maybe what we want is mapping the metadata we manage to what can be represented in ASDF (and other formats).*

   * open topics/actions
      * astronet.ru publishing registry issue
         * *In July we were told 3-4 month delay. Last news is that problem is not resolved, but may be by the end of the year.*
      * GWS - DSP renaming: decision
         * *Marco will put renaming to exec.*

   * AOB
      * *Janet will be formally asking exec for High Energy Interest Group*

   * Date for the next TCG vconf
      * December 2024:
         * (week 9-13) Tuesday 10 or Thursday 12
         * (week 16-20): Tuesday 17 or Wednesday 18,or Thursday 19
      * Time of day:
         * 13:00 or 14:00 UTC
         * 20:00 or 21:00 UTC
         * 23:00 UTC?
      * *15 TCG members are in CET*
      * *Consensus: Wednesday, December,ber 18, 14:00 UTC*

TCG meeting dates, as well as other relevant meetings, should always be reported also at the [[IvoaEvents][IVOA Events page]].

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